De-Gendering Capricorn and Stellium Hot-Takes

Kyle Pierce 0:05

Hello and welcome to Astrology Hotline, the Podcast where we answer all your burning birth chart and astrology questions. Joining me today is Bonnie. Hello, Bonnie. (Bonnie: Hello.) And yeah, we're gonna answer some questions like usual. But before we dive into that, how are you feeling today, Bonnie? Lets chat for a minute.

Bonnie May 0:26

Yeah. Yeah, I've been. I've been feeling pretty. It's conflicting because I feel kind of like not my not myself right now. And at the same time, I'm also like, really happy because I just came back from vacation and saw a lot of friends at plants and convention and saw my first dance teacher who lives in the city I went to so I haven't seen her in years. But like, personally wise, I just feel like really off and I'm Saturn has just gone retrograde. I'm a Capricorn rising. I don't know. That has I don't feel like myself since Yeah, I don't know if it's that or the south node in Scorpio on my son. But I feel like the Saturn components added another layer to it.

Kyle Pierce 1:07

Yeah. Now we have very mirror-y charts. Like we have everything in like their opposite or the same sign or the opposite house. But yeah, probably ended up getting hit by the same transits like half the time.

Bonnie May 1:22

You're my astrology dark twin, because we have, like, Sun Moon and rising. (opposite)

Kyle Pierce 1:28

Yeah, I the mercury station direct, in Taurus, its exactly conjunct my natal mercury. (Oooooh) I was eyeballing that for months before. And I was like, what's it going to be?

Bonnie May 1:40

What is it? Yeah,

Kyle Pierce 1:41

Because mercury, you know, rules my third house. And third house is like, communications and, and podcasts and writing and in sort of day to day routine stuff. But it also rules my 12th house. So it's like what's gonna, what's gonna happen? Am I gonna lose my mind or something.

Bonnie May 1:59

But I feel like when Mercury goes direct, there's like this weird period of like, Mercury is kind of like, drunk and like, slow. Yeah, I'm feeling that right now. But yeah, I am curious about this Mercury Retrograde just because of the people I've been communicating with and like, what's going to come like what's going to come back and bite me?

Kyle Pierce 2:16

Yeah. Oh, yeah, I know. When it gets gets into Gemini and stuff, still in the shadow. Yeah. I ended up starting a podcast though. We recorded the first episode totally on accident the day that Mercury stationed. (Oh, that's cool.) That was like, Oh, my Mercury station returned. It's like very third house. See, I got the third house version. Yeah, I

Bonnie May 2:38

think that's a good sign. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce 2:41

But yeah, it was weird when cuz Saturn station retrograde like the day or it had been station for a good week, but it went retrograde like the day after Mercury station direct. And they were like, just barely out of a square with each other. They were within a degree but like, like they were applying to each other. And then they stopped just short of the square and then started to separate.

Bonnie May 3:00

Yeah, it's like a standoff. Yeah. Like next time? Yeah. Yeah, giving you a firm warning, and then

Kyle Pierce 3:10

that'll be a try next time? I guess. So.

Bonnie May 3:12

Yeah. That's, that's nice.

Kyle Pierce 3:16

Well, um, do we want to just get started with our first question for today is let's go feel like you're a good one for this as a Capricorn rising. Our first question comes from James in Nebraska. And he asks, Why is Capricorn always considered to be daddy energy, when it's a feminine sign? Hmm. So what do you think about that? Bonnie? Is a Capricorn rising?

Bonnie May 3:41

Yeah, I feel so as like a feminine identifying person and a Capricorn rising. I don't feel very daddy energy. I feel more like, people keep giving me stuff to do and I'm tired, but I have to keep doing it. But yeah, I feel like with the Capricorn being considered daddy it's it kind of goes with like cancer being considered really motherly. Like the qualities and like Capricorn and cancer I see and how they like mirror each other is that they're, they're both about like, like, kind of their community and serving. Not the same way as Virgo and Pisces but more like providing and that like, that's what I associate with Capricorns like providing and then with cancer, like more nurturing like the Yeah, those energies and they're very gendered for sure.

Kyle Pierce 4:27

Yeah. Well, they, they are, they definitely have been historically especially. And it's funny because I've been thinking about this a lot since I was invited to do a talk for Symposium on gender. And I don't know now I've been like watching it, like I I, it made me realize like how much I tend to ignore or take for granted. The gendering of things, or that like I, you know, almost like I've been in like a blissful bubble of Just like oh, yeah, that was the way we perceive things back then. But like, obviously, I know that like there is always huge gender standards that are still a big problem. But what was I watching? I've been watching Stranger Things been trying to catch up. Yeah. And I was watching the third season. Sorry, spoiler alert. Shouldn't be too big of a one.

Bonnie May 5:20

I think I've seen the third one. But it's been a long time. Yeah, I may or may not remember.

Kyle Pierce 5:26

I'm gonna butcher the name. I can never remember names. Hate it. But was it L or 11?

Bonnie May 5:32

l 11. URL. And

Kyle Pierce 5:36

the kid that she had a boyfriend? Yeah, my romance. Mike. Mike. I think it's Mike. Yeah. Well, they are. You know, it's at the point in the show where they're SPOILER ALERT again, but they're together and like they're making out all the time and like her room. Theaters. Yeah. And her sort of dad the cop guy, the shirt. Genius name.

Bonnie May 6:01

Yeah. What is it? No, I don't remember. It was like a weird, cool nickname, but I don't

Kyle Pierce 6:06

recall exactly. It's such a broken name.

Bonnie May 6:09

So people that are strange people that are Stranger Things fans right now are probably yelling at us right now.

Kyle Pierce 6:15

I know. It's the thing. It's my greatest. Like, it's my greatest weakness. Now I have many. But I can I can just number a room of names. Even a people like say directors that I like, really liked or no thoughts of things about. But anyway, you know, it's the 80s. And he's like this, like traditional, sort of, he's a cop, right? My partner and I like and we're sort of joking that like, you know, maybe we have to judge him by the standard of the time. He's a cop. He's a dude. It's in the 80s like he does all right.

Bonnie May 6:47

But considering his a cop, and he's

Kyle Pierce 6:50

got a lot working against them in terms of emotional intelligence. But he really was like, starting to lose it with the making out all the time in the room. And he was talking to kind of came around with you actresses name now?

Bonnie May 7:09

Is it Mike's mom?

Kyle Pierce 7:10

Not Mike's mom, but Winona Ryder. Yes. Joyce? Joyce. All right. Anyway, Jim, Jim Hopper, right. Hoppers for the call. Yeah, he's like talking to Winona Ryder. Joyce, about the about, like, what to do how to handle this, like, because he's like, losing his mind about about them. And she gives them like this whole speech to do it's like about like feelings and like, you know, creating a safe space to and it's like a lot of stuff that I would like I talk about, or how I try to frame things like with my son. And I almost take it for granted that it's such like a stereotypical dude thing to be like, Oh, I can't do what emotions, safe speech to express ourselves. What if we don't do that? We're men. You know? It's very Capricorn because it's the detriment of the moon. When we get disappointed, like, do the moon the moon ship? Yeah, I think that's maybe where a lot of the daddy energy comes from. Or some element of it because there's a lot of things about Daddy energy and the even need to define what dad or daddy energy is. I think it means different things to different people.

Bonnie May 8:27

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I feel that because with Capricorn, yeah, is ruled by Saturn. And like, you know, it's like totally opposite of cancer, which is about like, being comfortable with your feelings. And Saturn, like we're talking about the sign series, like, Capricorn is associated with like the winter season when things are more scarce. So there's like kind of a reason why Capricorn is like, less touchy feely, because they're like, oh, we have to survive. We have to go up this mountain. Yeah, keep going. And so there is this like, kind of, I think column Fidel from queer Cosmos he like, defines Capricorn as being really good at like, emotional regulation of being like, oh, like shits hitting the fan right now. I can't like start crying. Yeah. So there is like some element of that that is like helpful. But I think like right now, like our the most stereotypical version of masculinity that we see with that is just like, exaggerated, like tenfold?

Kyle Pierce 9:23

Yeah, and I I don't know. And I think Nguyet speaks to like the sort of cloistering that we can fall into in the world now. Like, where we don't sort of get settled in our own sort of cultures and worldviews where we're like, it's easy for me to forget that. That's how like most dads, maybe still, I don't know, I don't know. I have like a couple dads that I know. I don't want to Dad friends and they're all like in my sort of world of, you know, cushy white suburbia, basically. So You know, liberal kind of biome, and where it's more acceptable to like, talk about your feelings and emotions and yeah, my son's like friends, and I was actually, like, a fare for their school earlier this week, and like, their friends were like giving hugs, like all these like boys like coming up, and like, hugging each other and stuff. I was like, this is the sweetest thing ever. It's almost like, if you don't condition them to not express their emotions, they'll just do it because it's like their inclination.

Bonnie May 10:32

Yeah, I think kids in general, like, they want to express their emotions, whether there's like they're angry, or they're sad, or, and I tend to, like follow a lot of like, accounts online that talk about like raising children and like a healthy way. And like, even though I don't plan on having kids, I like thinking about like child psychology and things like that. And like the way that like, like newer parents with younger parents now are talking to their kids about feelings and like giving a nuanced like, Oh, it's okay that you're angry, but we really can't hit each other. But tell me like, how you're feeling those kinds of things? Like, that's becoming more common for both genders I think. And yeah, so we're seeing like kids being a little more like having more language to describe their feelings and being like, Oh, I like I'm miss my friend. I want to hug them. Whereas, like, years ago, like little boys would be taught like, Oh, that's not manly to like, hug your your friends or anything? Oh, yeah. Yeah, things are changing.

Kyle Pierce 11:25

When I was like, I mean, we're 90s kids. So like, yeah, I feel like I was like, halfway indoctrinated with that, or like, that was the message I got, basically, but But anyway, back to the topical topic. Which I mean, it's relevant, I would say is that I think that is kind of at the root, cause you think about why do we get mommy daddy energy, maybe or daddy energy, Capricorn. But mommy energy from cancer is because, you know, think about like that 80s sitcom, or that 80s show, or just, I'm thinking about the 80s. But most of like, the presentations of moms and dads, in most media, throughout the time that there has been TV, you get that, like, the mom is like, you know, comically it's like the oldest joke ever. It's like the moms like trying to be sensitive and talk about emotions and stuff. And the dad's like, well done as soon as Ashdown and you know, I'll tell them, I'll give them one more, and I get my bill, like, which is very Capricorn. Capricorn is. And I think, Okay, this is it. And that's thinking about the kids hugging each other and stuff is like, that's really lovely that like, yeah, if you don't tell them otherwise, they will just express their emotions naturally. But they're also they grow up in very sheltered environments, sheltered, and I'm not even using it in a negative way. They're safe in their environment. So they feel safe expressing themselves Capricorn as, like, topically, I mean, deals with that, not that the not safe environment, or the, the idea of scarcity, the not having enough. And what do you do, when you don't have enough you preserve what you have, and you stand guard, and protect this sort of precious reserve of whatever is left. And that means like, not letting people in not being nice, you know, being standoffish or being critical, and reserving judgment on whether you let somebody in assuming maybe that you can't trust them, and they have to prove that you can before you let them inside the wall. And yeah, and just thinking about it in terms of feminine signs, like and I think it actually ends up being a really good example of how how it doesn't really work very well. A lot of the time is the using the feminine masculine for sort of traditional way of looking at signs that we probably introduced to seeing you where most of us were, I think that's like the lexicon is that fire and air signs are masculine and earth and water signs are feminine. But um, and I ended up being the subject of the talk that I did for the symposium are becoming the one which you can sign up for and join I'll put a link in the show notes I highly recommend it actually, there's like a ton of really amazing speakers are going to be there. So be free. But when I was like preparing for this, I was trying to find like where what the origin of that was, like, where did that idea come from? Like in like traditional texts, like old stuff and Didn't like Ptolemy, which is one of the older sources. And he basically was saying that the feminine is wet and masculine is dry. It's kind of like his reasoning for it. But then when you look at like temperament models, birth is dry and cool, cold. And fire is dry and hot. And water is wet and cold. And air is wet and hot. So, for just looking at like dryness versus wetness, if dryness is masculine, wouldn't Earth and fire be dry? Or be masculine?

Bonnie May 15:43

So Earth and fire would be dry so masculine and then air and water, which are wet would be feminine. Okay. Interesting.

Kyle Pierce 15:52

Yeah. And honestly, when I think about it, like Air sign people seem I don't know, I guess when I'm thinking about in those terms, like that's the way that I conceive, tend to perceive maybe my expectations, a little bit of women, it's like maybe extroverted women tend to be more of that. More that like light, sort of warmth. Like air signs, the you know, sanguine, like the the temperament, sanguine on fire is like choleric. So like saying once like, lively and friendly and exciting, that's what he does. It makes things rise makes things buoyant. But dryness, like creates separation. So you can bind dryness with heat to get fire, of course, and fire. It's like very decisive fires like this. Yes. This No. burning through things and like not, not a lot of emotional intelligence necessarily, with just pure fire. temperamentally?

Bonnie May 16:53

Yes. Very confrontational. Yeah, it's making me think about how how I feel like gender is like one of those things where it's really hard to define for anyone I feel like it's more easily defined for you as an individual. But like, with air, like I have encountered like a lot of air sign people that fit some of the masculine stereotypes as usually in this, like, I don't like have emotions. I'm rational kind of way. Yeah. But I've also experienced some more like feminine Air sign people that are very social and curious about people's feelings. Like, a lot of my best friends are, like women that are air signs. And like, they're totally different from like, men I know that are air signs, like speaking like sit like how you define yourself as a man or female, a man or woman? Yeah. And mostly Yeah, the men I know, that have a lot of like, Air sign qualities seem like very much like, oh, I don't have any feelings and like just about the data and like, it's really about being rational and like not being biased by emotions or feelings or anything like that. And then, with a lot of the women, identifying people I know, that are air signs. It's more like, oh, I want to know how you're feeling like, what's the news? Like, tell me what's going on in your life or anything kind of attend to, like, especially Libra placements, like the Yeah, into people's feelings and like, kind of seeing the energy of different people in the room and seeing like, oh, that person seems down. Let me talk to them. Like they do seem very, like emotionally intelligent to know.

Kyle Pierce 18:19

Yeah. Well, that's it got me thinking about air signs differently because of that wetness, that quality of wetness. And while I tried to create like this table of like, okay, which air signs are the most wet? Which ones are the most warm, you know, and like Aquarius, I would say is going to be a more a relatively drier and cooler air. But it has that, that quality of air still, it's still kind of like on that end. So you know, Aquarius has like emotional intelligence, it may not actually give a shit or may not act on on it all the time. Or it's almost like the more of that casual, dispassionate curiosity like Ooh, you're feeling this? I see that you feel this? How would you respond?

Bonnie May 19:08

Yeah, it's a little more detached from like, like the raw passion of like Waterson emotions, but it's still there. Like, it's curious about emotions, and it feels them but it kind of like, Will rationalize them a little bit.

Kyle Pierce 19:21

Yeah. But anyway, taking it back to Capricorn, just taking note of those two in terms of you know, I don't necessarily think of one as being more masculine. If anything, Capricorn seems like more of like, the doodly doo, like, like the duteous dude ever. It's Mars, the exultation of Mars. It's, you know, Saturn, which Saturn gender wise. I'm convinced that it's just like the anti gender planet. Like it's just

Bonnie May 19:51

that's how I think of all of the planets now

Kyle Pierce 19:52

I forced to like think about this. Oh, yeah, but I was like,

Bonnie May 19:59

but With Hellenistic astrology, there's like a Yeah, a big emphasis on gender. Yeah. And so, yeah, I think like, right, like, right now I just finished a class called queering the planets with star dance Mystery School. And we kind of talked about, like, different myths, and like, how they're associated with the planets, and just like different ways of like, different ways of seeing the planets as like, more than just like masculine or feminine. Yeah, I feel like it just kind of like, depends on like, like the planet in your chart, and like, how you see it and how you identify with it. But yeah, that's not an easy answer to the question. Yeah, like, yeah, considering that we're using gender here. Yeah, it makes me wonder like, because I know that like, gender is a social construct, like, gender is different from sex, like gender is like how we identify with like, the qualities we identify with. But there does seem to be like a spectrum of like, some people, they fall into more like I like these like, kind of masculine like clothing, like, like, what is associated with masculine, these movements are associated masculine versus like, feminine. And there does be some, like, you know, groups there. So it is it is like, yeah, social construct, but I don't think it's like completely useless either. Yeah. It's more just like, how can we change the way we see masculine? And how can we change the way we see femininity and like, make it make both sides a little healthier? And then also, like, recognize the spectrum in between and let people kind of play with whatever they want?

Kyle Pierce 21:33

Yeah. Well, I think it's maybe worth like, as part of that is we sort of have to recognize how inconsistent our models for gender have been, historically, we have sort of a basis, maybe that's consistent dish, which actually, and this is sort of my argument for why, why maybe it doesn't feel like it applies as well, anymore. The Earth maybe as a feminine sign or a feminine element, is because coldness has, you know, many layers of meaning coldness versus heat have layers outside of this, but one of the components of it is like social status, cold, draws things down, it keeps things still, it brings them down lower, well, heat makes things go up, they rise, they go higher, in terms of like status, and who did you see out in the world 100 years ago, 200 years ago, men, they're out doing things they're out, accomplishing in all the positions of power and achieving everything, while women are supposed to stay home. Stay cold, stay still. And, you know, keep things secure and be afraid all the time. That's like another coldness. Actually, I mean, the positive end of it is promotes thought before action. It's like birth is better at thinking before they act, right. Think of any earth sign.

Bonnie May 23:02

Yeah, looking at doing the doing the risk analysis, looking at your resources, saying like, what can you get away with? What What can you be risky about what you should be safe about?

Kyle Pierce 23:12

Yeah. Once you get the different versions, I guess, if it's like, there's a bunch of different like, that's where I'm like, oh, yeah, I see. Because, you know, often women are more considered and less rash, right? Yeah, but I know just as many women that don't do that, but I think maybe there's, ah, well and maybe there's a component to the fact that women are more exposed to risk in general like they're they're more vulnerable a lot of the time to to men let's just face it like their

Bonnie May 23:48

men are statistics. The reason why women should be worried for their lives is like usually a significant other that's a man Yeah.

Kyle Pierce 23:56

There Yeah, men are more responsible for most of the crime that happens they commit more violent crime, as it my international relations theory teacher, see asked everybody who thought the most dangerous people in the world were said like different things, like, related to geography or culture or whatever you use, like Wrong, wrong. Answer is men. Aged 17 to 21. Yeah, they are the most dangerous people on the planet. If you see a group of them walking down the street, like not run away, but but well in, you know, overall, I guess I've always felt like an awareness of that, like, I see a group of dudes. Like when I was younger, I was like, Alright, time to go into the mode where I'm ready for a possible fight or a confrontation, because, you know, that's what dudes do. And that could mean he'd say something about just Capricorn. If you were to say, maybe traditionally feminine like is that it's it's wary of dangerous all the time, or

Bonnie May 25:00

for sure, yeah, that's what we do. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce 25:05

But that's changed a lot. And too, or there's just more, there's more for different expressions, I think.

Bonnie May 25:10

Yeah, I think women are like, yeah. Also, like aware of danger in the same kind of way, but in a different kind of way. It's like, I don't want to be victimized. It's like being victimized as like a, quote, man versus a woman. They're different. But it's like, kind of the same thing of like, looking out. But yeah, it's true that it's mostly men that both genders are looking out for danger, usually.

Kyle Pierce 25:32

Yeah. Yeah. I feel self conscious about trying to speak on behalf of, of women. That's not my, just my observation, maybe but yeah, I don't know. It gets just thinking about Capricorn, maybe. And this idea of Daddy energy, like, what what you think of in terms of Daddy energy think, and like, the most positive way it's feeling protected, feeling like somebody is watching out for you, and somebody is going to, you know, keep the bad away from you. But also be, you know, restrictive in the sense of like, very creative, very hard laws, very hard rules for you to follow.

Bonnie May 26:12

Yeah, actually, I maybe as a Capricorn rising, I think that, like my perception of Capricorn placements is that they're really good at providing but they also, sometimes they want someone to provide for them. But it's really hard to let their guard down and know who they can trust to not fuck things up. So that's like a constant struggle of like, oh, I want to like relax my shoulders a little bit. Like I think like, I think of Capricorns having like a big weight on their shoulders, and being like, oh, I want to, like unload this and have someone to also who's also consistent and reliable. But I can't because no one else is, and then they end up just like playing this role of like taking care of other people taking care of other people. But some people, some people do have more like Daddy energy and that they're more like confident about that. They're more like, oh, yeah, I can do that. That's fine.

Kyle Pierce 27:01

I'll just do what needs to be done. Because it's to be done. And like, you're not going to know how I feel about it. Because the assumption is that I don't have any feelings about it. They might have a ton of them. Actually, my dad. That's what I wonder like other people's dads, I don't know my dad had like a pile up in Capricorn was Venus, the moon, Jupiter, Saturn. Sure, like there's another planet, but a lot of planets in Capricorn, and very Capricorn, dude. Just very, like, you don't know, how I'm feeling about things. I'm just going to do stuff. And, you know, very dry and cold in that sense. I don't know Daddy energy definitely comes to mind for me with Capricorn. But I don't think I don't know if I think of it as a feminine sign. Or if like, the distinction maybe is very useful. I think Daddy energy for Capricorn is more useful than it being a feminine sign.

Bonnie May 27:58

Hmm, yeah. So I just like don't really use masculine and feminine that much for the signs anymore. Like it's in the back of my mind, but I usually switch it out to inward versus outward, or what's the word? There's also diurnal and nocturnal, like, yeah, earth and water sensor. Nocturnal, the fire and air signs are diurnal. But I think of it more as like more introvert, introverted or versus extrovert and not to say that you do have a ton of fire and air that means you have to be an extrovert, but more just like wanting to push your energy out versus like, keep it within kind of. So um, so that's like, what I tend to use and there can be like some people that identify as men who are very, like more internal and more introspective. And then people identify those women that are more extroverted. And that kind of works. For me, it's like, there can be like, someone who identifies as a man and like, has like that daddy energy a lot of Capricorn even though it's like a feminine sign, like they're still masculine, but they do it in like a more introspective, quiet, kind of like, I'm in control, but I'm not going to flaunt it way. Versus like, maybe a Leo man or something. Yeah. So it's like still, like, they can define their gender however they want, but it might be flavored by those signs. I also have a I have a lot of thoughts about this with water sign men because just like going back to the way gender norms have changed for, like us versus our parents, etc. Like I was raised by, like, a dad who has a lot of water had a lot of water, and I have a lot of water too. And, like I can see how it came out and like very, like destructive ways because there wasn't a healthy outlet for all the feelings but he was still just as like emotional as like any woman has a lot of water, but it's just like, the way that that energy that water is gonna flow out no matter what. Yeah, it's like how do you let it flow out? Do you like like, just like build up and explode or do you like let it trickle out like in a healthy kind of sustainable way. So I feel like more I've seen more like younger men, identifying people who are like, still masculine, but they are more in touch with their feelings in a healthier way. And they're less disruptive with them.

Kyle Pierce 30:11

Yeah. I would say as someone who's, you know, born male, and still identifies as male, but also like, um, a cancer rising, and yeah.

Bonnie May 30:23

Bring it to cancer. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce 30:25

The moon in like a water sign. And yeah, I would say that I definitely had the experience growing up of like, feeling like I had the this expectation, like having lots of emotions and stuff, but feeling like they weren't accepted was not acceptable to to be super emotional. So I had to sort of put on a shell or something very, you know, cancer free, but also having the Moon in Scorpio too, you know, Renard, spiky? Yes. Yeah, but trying to be? I don't know, I. It's a whole tangent. But the point is, is that I did like, I have, like a group of friends that, you know, we're probably very similar in the sense that, like, cents off these sensitive V type, dudes, but trying to sort of not be too much, you know, how can I be as sensitive as I am, and still be acceptable socially, as a dude. And I found even just like, becoming an adult that there's like, a level of vindication, maybe and that it's become more acceptable. Yeah, rent again, relax a little. Not even acceptable. But the expectation for men I think has gone up. It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, you don't get to get away with being a dumbass. And like being emotionally oblivious to stuff anymore. Like we were holding you to a reasonable standard.

Bonnie May 31:54

Yeah, it's like, yeah, I think a lot of like, women, identifying people, and like queer people, especially, like help show us this of like, there's like healthier ways to be masculine or feminine. And like, you can kind of define your dinner your own way. But like, regardless of whether it's masculine and feminine, there's a much healthier way to do it. Like I see that with, like, some feminine qualities that like I was raised in the south. And I can see a lot of the ways that I was conditioned to be feminine in the south, that there were very unhealthy versions of femininity, and like not ones that I like, that I want to keep, like being passive aggressive, instead of direct with communication, things like that. Like letting things build up, resentment building up and things like that, like those are things I want to work on myself and redefine of like, what femininity means. And, yeah, that and I guess, I guess that's like another way that like, I'm thinking about how like, even though, like, usually, it's like men who are like kind of told to be closed off from their feelings, or at least like in the past, so it was like more how it was taught a certain way, like women have been told to be closed off about their feelings to like, they can't be completely honest about how they feel they have to do emotional, emotional labor, as they're like, they're like, they're like, oh, like, my husband, he, I'm the only person who can talk about his feelings, because he can't talk about his feelings with anyone else. Like, that's a big trope in the past, and like, even still now. So like, a lot of like, the way women have been conditioned to be emotional is like for other people, like, oh, I need to take care. And this is where we get to answer like having to take care of everyone and not being able to, like fully be in touch with your own emotions or own like needs, and be honest about them.

Kyle Pierce 33:38

That's a really good point. Actually, it's because it's not just, it's not just, you know, men that have to do this, or one that they do this, like, everybody's sort of oppressed by a lot of the gender standards, gender rising of, of, of ways of expressing yourself. Yeah, I think it's like a trap that I want to be careful not to fall into. And I'm, I, you know, try to look to other people to sort of measure their response. I don't know. I'm like, I think it's something that we're collectively maybe figuring out. And I don't claim to have like all the answers to it, obviously. And I'm okay with that. I'm like, yeah, no, like, I you that's why we aren't like we're talking about this instead of just answering the question, but I know

Bonnie May 34:29

we're just like, going around circles and stuff going on. So we're just gonna give you some things to think about. We've

Kyle Pierce 34:35

probably answered it. But I think that's part of the bargain. When you submit a question to astrology hotline is we'll answer your question, but we're going to talk about what interests us as well. So yes,

Bonnie May 34:45

the answer is Daddy is a state of mind.

Kyle Pierce 34:49

Like Capricorns a thing but is that specifically, you know, maybe the the idea of what daddy means something that is that changes or evolves. Um, And is maybe not explicitly relegated to men or males, or masculine figures. You know, I think moms have to have that energy a lot, too, whatever that means, you know, women have to play that role. In reality, most of the time, both parents, if you're fortunate enough to have both parents involved are playing those roles. Like my, my son's mom, and I, we co parent. And actually, I remember my son was a baby. We get like this joke, like people would call me Mr. Mom, a lot. Like is the joke and be like, Yeah, I don't know. I was like, whatever, like, because I thought I was dumb. Because I thought like, why? I don't know, why is loving your kid? caring about them and responding to like, their, their feelings and responding to their pain and comforting them. Why is that? Mom? Why is that only relegated to moms, I want people to do that, too. Maybe it's my cancer. I see. But I, you know, I wanna be able to share in that as well to the degree that I can. Without overstepping, you know, there can be a sense of like jurisdiction, maybe with parents? Yeah, this is what's expected of me. And like, if I don't play this role, then people are gonna judge me. Yeah. And maybe that's why those standards may be still exist, or why we still struggle with them. It's because we have different people with different viewpoints on it. And we're all worried about other people judging us.

Bonnie May 36:37

That's true. We're still I think we're still trying to navigate like, what is my sense of like, gender, sexuality, whatever it is, versus like what other people expect of me. And it's really hard to untangle those two, yeah. But you're like coming out, and things like that is a big deal for people like coming out, and it's like, your gender or sex because they have to define it for themselves and not let other people define it.

Kyle Pierce 37:00

Yeah. As much as I want to, like, fast forward to swear, I like the trap, maybe that I'm worried about falling into is that like, almost like the colorblind mentality, we're trying to be like, gender blind, you know, because obviously, it's still important to people, it's still important to me, even in ways that like I don't, not fully conscious of probably because I have the privilege of you know, more or less matching. Identifying what the same gender as I was

Bonnie May 37:29

born with. Yeah, I think I think it can be gender can be useful in the way that people want to define themselves. But yeah, the difference is now we want more of a less rigid, kind of like gender, binary and more of like, instead of, like, you know, like a color block of pink and a color block of blue, and they're, like, perfectly rigid, and you can't step within like more like a paint gradient. Yeah. Which is because I used to do like painting I love like mixing the colors and making a gradient from one color to the next and seeing how like, bleeds into each other. And that's kind of like how I think we're starting to see it. Now. I was like, oh, like you can be masculine, but have some of these feminine traits and you can be more feminine, but have some of these masculine traits and then also like how we're defining it also changes like what is a healthier way to be masculine? What is a healthier way to be feminine?

Kyle Pierce 38:17

Yeah, and I guess it can only speak to my own experience of maybe having to, to learn looking for wrestle with maybe the ways that I didn't fit into what I felt like my expectations were gender wise, was for me is like kind of just had to like, stop giving a shit or stop explaining things in terms of masculine and feminine to myself, because it even get pigeonholed maybe or if you want to, if you're trying to identify with one and then you express in a way that's associated with another one, it's like, then you find yourself, you condemning yourself or internalizing other people's condemnation. And it seems healthier to meet just to be what you are. And I have to kind of credit Tristan for putting this in words. I think it was during one science episodes maybe or was it during the planets, so it's can't remember but he explained it just like you know, just explain just when we're talking about Capricorn, just describe Capricorn. Like, what what does Capricorn mean? And you don't necessarily have to use masculine or feminine

Bonnie May 39:34

no you don't I don't think for any of them you need to

Kyle Pierce 39:37

think it's like a descendant almost not being a super useful construction because it I don't know.

Bonnie May 39:47

Yeah, I think that's like what we're seeing right now with like, studying astrology and like also like, you know, more information about like, like traditional astrology emerging and us getting like, you know, more ideas of what the ancients were Thinking of and like, seeing how that fits in with our modern world, like there's this chance to kind of like redefine some things and so it's useful for like, if you're reading a book and you see like, oh, are feminine water feminine and fire air masculine, like it's helpful to like know those terms, but like, also know that we're, like just changing things as we go along that to like fit our society more like it's always astrology is always going to be evolving.

Kyle Pierce 40:26

Yeah, absolutely. I guess maybe for more on that, you know, check out the symposium.

Bonnie May 40:33

And if you are interested in more like queer astrology talk, oh yeah, I'm co facilitating at Star dance Mystery School. We're on Patreon. But we teach live classes. We teach them through like discord where people can like talk about different ideas. And we'll share like things like meditations and journal prompts. And we have a monthly or not monthly, sorry, a weekly chart reading class where we're like, interpret someone's chart together. But we all of our classes are like kind of focused on like, we're astrology and like, looking at astrology with them, like a queer lens. Yeah. That sounds awesome for for anyone. Awesome. Next question.

Kyle Pierce 41:12

Next question. Second question. today comes from Mikayla. And Michaela writes, I was told that because I don't have a stellium, that I would have a hard time finding direction in life. Is that true? And my answer to you, Mikayla is no, i is no. I mean, that's my starter answer. And I guess,

Bonnie May 41:40

yeah, you don't want it? Yeah, who told her that? I started them.

Kyle Pierce 41:44

And this is something I don't know. It's like, you go into forums and stuff, and you get so many ideas. And I love it when you're just treating them like ideas. But unfortunately, I feel like people maybe maybe it's like their first encounter with, you know, what a stellium means. And they internalize that, and they don't necessarily know. I'm not to interpret. I don't know that it doesn't necessarily mean this exact rigid thing. But I mean, that one, in that case, I can I can, I can understand maybe why somebody would conclude that or make that statement about stadiums. But I just say that, like blanket, no, yeah. Not only a meats.

Bonnie May 42:29

I think that's absolutely I agree. That's not That's not what it means. Do you want to like kind of define, like, what we're talking about selling them? And that way, we can give a little background of like, why people might think that yeah, break it down?

Kyle Pierce 42:40

Yeah, so Well, there's different even definitions of stallions. I guess my definition of the stellium is that it's a word that we use to describe having three or more planets in a given sign. Some people think you have to have four planets for to be considered stellium. And they will

Bonnie May 42:58

differentiate between inner and outer planets, like our inner

Kyle Pierce 43:00

and outer planets, points, maybe don't count or, you know, nodes, do they count? Do do asteroids count. And I have a in my mind, but it feels to me like a very simple answer is like, fucking cares. Like, no offense to anybody, I apologize. But a stellium is just, it's a cat. It's, it doesn't there's no real interpretive difference in terms of what it means. Whether it's a stellium or not, what it means depends on what the planets are in the sign, what houses the ruling, how they're interacting with each other and other places in the chart, it means, you know, the same stuff that any thing else means it's just that everything's, you know, that that topic, you can say broadly, that topic that house, that sign are heavily emphasized as qualities are heavily emphasized. But it doesn't. If you're trying to make interpretations outside of that, just based on the fact that it's a stellium that it meets, you know, whatever your definition of stellium is, you're I don't know maybe not maybe you're missing out on a free phrase, listen, you a appropriate way.

Bonnie May 44:15

I think. I think like what that those kind of like answers like oh, like, it means you have no focus in your life. It's just like, kind of like an easy answer to give someone where it's like, Yes, like this means that like, you know, like for me in my example, like I have Scorpio Venus in retrograde conjunct Pluto and like, the cookie cutter answer is you will never find love, like love is terrible for you, whatever. But it's like much more nuanced than that. And like there I think, I guess like what the question is, like, kind of a balance, like what I guess like the like, the person answering that question saying like, Oh, you have no focus in your life. They're thinking of a stellium as like a big focal point and that yeah, this is where you look, all these pointy arrows pointing at this and this is where you need To focus on your life, when like, it's really it's an entire chart. There's like so many different points and planets to look at the houses, the aspects, all of that matters. It's all web. Like there's no like one focal point that's like, here's the bullseye like this is where you go, it's all going to kind of inter woven with each other. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce 45:17

Yeah, I think that's yeah, that. And I think maybe the reverse, like assuming that you don't have planets, if you have many planets, and if you've planned spread out across your chart and different signs and lots of different signs. While I have heard some interesting interpretive points used in like Vedic Astrology, that have like more consistent origins, I guess, like there's some ideas around, you know, if you have four signs occupied versus five signs occupied, I think five signs is like the ideal. And like Vedic because it spreads things out enough for you get enough variety, maybe in direction and stuff.

Bonnie May 45:56

Yeah. Variety is good, like having a, like, I have a stellium. And I think it's a pain in the ass.

Kyle Pierce 46:02

Yeah. Yeah. And that's, I guess that's tends to be my picky too. It's still insisted. Yeah, maybe they represent a concentration of energy or little too much of life experience in a certain area of life. That can be a lot. Yeah, it can be way too much attention there. If anything, it could be distracting and taking you off of track in terms of giving everything else in your life proper attention. I would almost say the opposite. Having planets spread out might be good, better, in a sense that you're giving, you're spreading your attention out to the other areas of your life, all of which matter, all of which are important.

Bonnie May 46:48

Yeah. Yeah. And it's hard to say like, oh, what should be the focus of your life? Like, I think people can have multiple focuses, like, there might be a few particular things that they're prioritize more, but like, yeah, for me, personally, having a stellium is kind of distracting. It's like, I keep getting off a horse like this, I keep getting pulled in this direction. And like, I would like to kind of divide my attention in more areas, but it's kind of hard to so yeah, like having your energy kind of spread out in the chart is, it seems like, it might be kind of nice, because you can like hack and be a little more balanced. But I guess like the person got like asking this question, maybe they're wondering like, Oh, where do I look for like, what I would be good at? Or like, yeah, what is like a talent? I might be the habit I should develop or things like that. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce 47:37

Which I wouldn't necessarily look to a stellium to answer specific questions on that. Maybe, I mean, maybe, but I would look at other factors around the concentration.

Bonnie May 47:46

Like, maybe the sun if that's in the stellium. But yeah,

Kyle Pierce 47:50

and yeah, and actually, it's a good point, because, you know, it was it was like a point in Vedic Astrology that got me thinking about it. Is that like, certain planets don't necessarily like to be around other planets. Like, like the moon loves company. The moon loves to be in the same sign as another planet. leasing the Vedic approach, but like, there's, that makes sense. Even in like Western Astrology is like lonely moons you don't necessarily want to have but there's like different definitions of them. But actually, you you have to

Bonnie May 48:24

wait my moon. Yeah, it's it's the only planet it sign but it's making aspects. It's making it Yeah, it is making us but it's not totally lonely. But it is like the only planet it's fine.

Kyle Pierce 48:36

Yeah, maybe it's useful to define when the moon is Yeah, cuz I

Bonnie May 48:41

cuz I'm thinking of like blowing Moon as it's like a moon not making any aspects to anything. So maybe,

Kyle Pierce 48:45

yeah, yeah. That's what I tend to lean on. Like the Vedic definition is. The moon is in a sign without another planet, and without any other planets in the sign right after it. Were right before it. That is the Vedic definition of a lonely. Okay, so you don't have anything in Gemini? Or Aries, right? No, I

Bonnie May 49:09

have the North Node in Aries. Well, that wouldn't count. And I have Chiron in Gemini, so I guess both of those don't count. They wouldn't count with Vedic Astrology. Yeah. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce 49:20

I mean, technically my wins with Pluto. Great.

Bonnie May 49:23

Oh, that's right. I think of what you have. Yeah. Pluto. And so Pluto would that would that count?

Kyle Pierce 49:29

Right now? Probably not a definition. For the Western? Yeah, it's it. interpretively makes sense there's but then even in the Vedic approach, there's mitigations to it, where you know if it's on an angle with another planet, so if like it's square are opposed by another planet, but then the Western version is more if the planet is making an aspect with another. If the moon is making an aspect with another planet, it's not lonely. But if it's not making any aspects or won't And this is a whole tangent that slippery slope, because there's different versions of this even of where the the line is on that, but suffice to say that the moon likes being with other planets might enjoy being in a stellium you know, the cosy burrito of of planets to be snuggled up with, but the sun, not so much interesting, the sun will crowd out planets that are really close to it.

Bonnie May 50:29

Or I've wondered about that too, if like planets being under the beams of the sun, because in traditional astrology that is like a thing. But since Mercury and Venus do travel pretty closely to the sun, it seems like it's pretty common. So I guess that's a whole other question of like, if the sun doesn't like that, or like the other planets don't like it from the sun, then why is it so common?

Kyle Pierce 50:48

Yeah. I mean, I think it depends a lot on the sun. So I sort of my going interpretation is like the sun is use this in the last episode, but like the sun is like a boss that will like talk over you in a meeting. It tends it's, you know, it's in charge. And like, it's fine. Probably with you being there. As long as you're not stealing their authority, or stealing their spotlight from them, you know?

Bonnie May 51:18

Yeah, what I was thinking. I was kind of thinking the other planets being more annoyed being near the Sun, like, Oh, it's so hot. Exactly. Yeah. And so loud.

Kyle Pierce 51:28

Yeah. And what planets? Yeah. And like, some planets may enjoy the company of other planets more, you know, may enjoy sharing a sign with, like, Venus might enjoy sharing the sign with the moon, but maybe not as much with

Bonnie May 51:44

Mars. Right? I was thinking the moon and the Mars probably are not very

Kyle Pierce 51:48

Moon and Mars probably when like, yeah, yeah. So I guess, maybe the point is that there's so many other things to consider when interpreting planets that are in the same sign, and how many of them there are, other than just the number of them, which I get the impulse of like wanting to start there. And you can define, you can derive a bit from that. But something as specific as like not having having a hard time finding direction in life, or a lot of the different ones I've seen, like, what are some of the things that you've seen people say about stamps,

Bonnie May 52:22

I was actually thinking about how, like, one thing in traditional astrology, I can see why people think that, you know, having a stellium gives you this much focus is that like, if you're going by like, oh, like, for example, I don't have any planets in my eighth house. But my house is Leo. So it's ruled by the sun. My son is part of my Scorpio stellium in the 11th house. And so when I look at my other like all the other houses, a lot of my house is like lead back to the 11th house. stellium. So I can see that as like a principle being like, Oh, this is a big focus. Like every like I do have this area's like ninth house travel, Virgo. It's like leads to the 11th house. I like to travel with friends, but there's like some kind of link there. But yes, I can see why people like think that was like the focus of like, because those because that having that many planets in that house, or that area in your chart is going to be pulling these other houses to it.

Kyle Pierce 53:17

Yeah. But that's also maybe another important point. It's like, yeah, actually, but both of our sort of, I don't know three planets is considered a stellium I know some people say four

Bonnie May 53:27

months four, if you count Pluto. Yeah. Yeah. Which I mean, what three if it's personal, which is some people would count Yeah, so I count Yeah. I basically just kind of like the outer planets is like half I'll be like, I consider the personal planets are important, but I also consider outer planets if it's like with like, three personal planets like that's what I go by, but I still consider the art because if the outer planets like close to a personal planet, I look at that very closely especially with my Venus and Pluto they're like they're in mesh with each other. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce 53:58

But I mean I guess the the defining a stellium in all the things the energy we put into like debating maybe yeah defines a stellium or not really only serves the purpose of like, getting stellium cred that's true what a stellium credit and mean it could just other than mean that you made that was a good point about it being like it's like a lot of things go through that house and go to that science, but if like the ruler isn't in that sign then it almost like might just put more at the disposal of that planet. That's ruling the sign. Yeah, just tends to be how maybe I think about that too. But it's I don't know maybe before you're trying to to outsell me and like your buddies. I don't know. I wouldn't assume that it's like the best thing in the world or the worst thing in the world.

Bonnie May 54:44

No, it's just yeah, for me it's just kind of distracting sometimes. But it I also do I think I do personally feel a pressure of like looking at my chart and be like, Oh, I have so much going on the 11th house like what is my big thing that is involved with the 11th house even though I have like A lot of 11th House things like throughout my life, like there's no like one big thing. And then I do get to kind of get caught up in thinking like, Oh, what is purpose and a chart? That's just like a hard thing to define? Do you mean career purpose? Do you mean? Your overall character like what you're known for? Like, there's just like so many points, you could look at the chart. And that gets to the whole thing of like, well, what kind of purpose am I talking about? Like, am I trying to look for my career purpose? Am I trying to look at for like, my motive in life? Like, what where do I need to look? And then maybe it's like, okay, maybe I should look at the MC. Maybe I should look at the North Node. Maybe I should look at Mars for like, things I want. You know, that just kind of depends on like, how we're defining purpose.

Kyle Pierce 55:40

Yeah. One? That's a really good point, actually. Because I think there is like, almost like an impulse to like, want to look for one placement or one thing to tell us the answer to this. Maybe just one question of like, what's my life purpose? Which,

Bonnie May 55:54

yeah, going back to pop astrology in the sun sign? Yeah. Being that used to be more of a common thing of like, Oh, your son is who you are. That's it. That's all you have?

Kyle Pierce 56:03

Are you people like wanting to know, like, Okay, I want to know what my, what my future husband is going to look like? What color hairs my future is gonna look like? Where do I look in the chart for that? Wish, you know, I can tell you maybe some areas you might look, but I don't know if it's gonna tell you that or not. Like, it'll tell you stuff about them. But it won't. It may or may not tell you. Yeah, that specific thing. But I also wonder if things that just occurred to me is like, like the ability to be able to call yourself a sign. I wonder if that's maybe what drives the stellium? Hunger stellium? Like, yeah, read is like, I want to be able to claim the sign is me is my own.

Bonnie May 56:44

Yeah, people miss it, though. I go, I used to be just the sun sign. And I knew I knew who it was. Now I'm confused. And yeah, I think that's like, that's another thing of astrology is like, now we're making it more like because we're, people are studying it more, we're finding more information that we didn't have. Before. We're making it more complicated. And with that, you have to do a lot more digging into who like, how do I define this for myself? Like who am I? And that's not an easy answer that like some people want from astrology, some people want like, oh, I want to know who I'm gonna marry. I know, I want to know, when I'm gonna get married, I want to know, like, what my career will be, I want to know, like who I am. And it's like, yeah, like, we can use astrology to help, like, define you a little bit. But you also have to work with your chart and like, see where that is carrying through. Like, you can't just rely on an astrologer to tell you, this is who you are, you have to also like, work with it and see, like, Does this feel true for me? And how does it show up in my life? So it's like, it's I don't know, it's like a way of storytelling, but you have to be actively doing the storytelling to not just the astrology?

Kyle Pierce 57:46

Absolutely. One in you know, do you want to like, have the chart write the story for you? Or do you want to have some direction with the story, you know, which I you know, if you're trying to identify it with your chart, right, which I don't think there's anything wrong with like, because we end up talking about, like, oh, it's, you know, it's very my, my Mars describes this, this part of my personality really well, and it does. But like maybe thinking about why it does. It's maybe because none of the chart really, is you, per se. It's experiences that define you.

Bonnie May 58:24

Oh, that's so meta. I love it.

Kyle Pierce 58:27

And what that I mean, this is the deeper question is in like, traditional astrology would just identify you as basically the ascendant. Yes. And all the other planets, the planets are speaking. You know, they're, they're, like, judges, gods in the cosmic court that are speaking on, on the topic of the ascendant and what, you know, defining it and speaking on your life, you know, advocating for or against you,

Bonnie May 58:52

I can totally see that because I feel like with all the different houses and signs, and like the planets there, it's like, I feel like a Capricorn rising. But then when I'm in a different area of my life, I feel a little different. So like, when it comes to, like, career things, I feel more like a Libra. That's like, MC but I don't personally identify as a Libra. It's just like, that's how I do notice I tend to show up in that way. Yeah. So like, when you kind of separate out like that you can kind of see like, the different areas of your life, the different contexts where that energy shows up differently. And you can like, look at different points in your life, like going back to like the question of like, purpose, like, Okay, what kind of purposes Am I looking for? Am I looking like, where do I want to live one day? Where do I want to marry what my career is? Like? Where would I like, look at that part of my chart?

Kyle Pierce 59:37

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think at the end of the day, we're all we're using metaphors, like these are all just metaphors, for describing something. It's really hard to describe. It's actually like what all myth is is like telling the stories that are trying to describe the nature of the universe in some way. But they countered to each other and, and they're, you know, ways of conveying meaning. To describe something that's a lot more ineffable and harder to describe. But don't try to get too, like, committed to one. One way of looking at it. I mean, you you can, but I guess trying to tell other people that like, you can't look at it this way, because this is the one way to look at it. You know, there are ways that are more effective. But I guess it all comes down to like, what's the most useful to you? And what's the most helpful and if it's going to make you feel shitty about yourself that you don't have a stellium? Like, fuck stones? Yeah. And yeah, pluck stellium. And I will say objective that, from my point of view that still names don't point to specifically in and of themselves, good or bad things.

Bonnie May 1:00:47

Yeah, and I agree with that. Yeah, we have two astrologers that have stellium saying, fuck stallions.

Kyle Pierce 1:00:53

I don't think it's considered a stone. It's only 333 planets. That's true. I've thrown Capricorn but they're two of them are outer planets.

Bonnie May 1:01:01

Yeah, minor. Three personal planets and one outer. So depending on your definition, yeah. Might not count.

Kyle Pierce 1:01:08

I don't feel bad about myself for not having a Yeah, it's like,

Bonnie May 1:01:11

it's just easier to say stellium or not, but you know, it doesn't really matter.

Kyle Pierce 1:01:15

It sounds cool. Yeah. All right. Well, I guess we can wrap it up for today, then. Yeah. How? How can people find you? What do you got going on, Barney?

Bonnie May 1:01:28

Sure. I on Instagram and Twitter. I made a astrology so I'm not doing readings yet. I'm still taking time to study but you can find me with star dance Mystery School. We're on Patreon and we have a discord classroom. I mentioned that before. I also am sharing a Twitch channel with two of my best friends. It's called Best witches coven. And we on different nights like it'll either be me talking astrology or my friends sky and snow doing tarot readings, we're talking about rituals. We're both like, we're all three of us, which is we have different talents. So we share and then sometimes we'll do a fairy Fridays where we all three of us get together and like to join astrology and Oh nice, which was a lot of fun. So you can find us best witches coven on Twitch and then start into Mystery Schools the school that I co facilitate on August 5 love a classical planets and aspects. We'll talk about aspects. Awesome.

Kyle Pierce 1:02:21

Sounds great. What's the

Bonnie May 1:02:25

star dance mysteries, our

Kyle Pierce 1:02:26

dance mystery school,

Bonnie May 1:02:28

but also just like hit me up on Instagram because I like chatting with people. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce 1:02:30

Yeah, you actually are like one of the best people for just like you are always up for chatting. And I always feel guilty because I'm like, may or may not be able to chat. Go back because I've been like I was enjoying your, your are you still doing the Twitch?

Bonnie May 1:02:47

I'm doing Tuesday nights from like, 830 to 1030 doing like

Kyle Pierce 1:02:51

the sort of the readings, sort of like little, little,

Bonnie May 1:02:55

little mini readings lately, I've had a lot of people that want to learn astrology, and they've just been like, basically, I'll just like, start talking about whatever tangent I'm studying right now and be like, This is what I think about that. And, you know, this is like a thing I see people get wrong that I don't like I'm, I'm gonna go on my soapbox and to explain this. And like, a lot of people are like, Yeah, that's cool. I'm gonna like be like, like, where do I learn more, and I'll give them resources. So I've had a lot more people like that lately. But then also like other days, we'll have like people that want me to like, take a quick look at their chart. So I'll just like do like a quick look, because I'm still studying and learning. So it's given me a lot of practice to look at different people's lives and how they experience their

Kyle Pierce 1:03:32

chance. Oh, yeah. And it's great practice. Practice a great way of learning. It's like, actually hearing people's stories, being willing to listen to what they have to say about their lives, and not maybe assuming everything based on the chart. Yeah, it's

Bonnie May 1:03:51

been very eye opening and also just thinking about like, like, what I'm reading, like, how do I explain it to people and like, how do I define it to them? Because it's like a really good practice. Yeah, for me, it's just like, having my Mercury in Retrograde needs a lot of like, practice, like mocking me again, like, let me just like word vomit and like, try to obviously just be like refining some of my thoughts through that. Yeah, and also, the one downside of Twitch is that people just like type in a chat box. So it is a little bit harder to get like, quick feedback. Yeah, so like that is it's been an interesting practice of like, trying to give people like delineation delineations delineations delineations fancy word word. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce 1:04:31

Not a word. I really hear much outside Yeah, I

Bonnie May 1:04:33

guess I interpretations. But leaving it kind of open but not so vague. Like that's the tricky part with like, being on Twitch like, I don't want to make this so vague. It's just like nothing but also I want to give them some freedom and autonomy. So it's been good. It's been really good practice for that. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce 1:04:50

Yeah, that's, I have a choice. advertise this. I do have every week. There's one slot available to To book a call up research, reading, where it's basically I get to ask you questions about your chart. And you, I get to ask you everything that I want to ask you for, it's free in the offer one per week. So if you're interested in that, in being interviewed, and you know, Alex, I'll tell you what I think, you know how I think it's showing up in your chart, you'll get a lot of the benefits of regular reading, it's almost just for me to like, put some of the expectations on a shelf a little bit. And for me to get more of stay in touch with maybe that approach of like, not going in with preconceived notions. Cuz, because, yeah, cuz I like it.

Bonnie May 1:05:41

Yeah, it's a different approach. It makes it better, I think. I think that's really cool. Because like, like you said, like the idea of having preconceived notions like as like an astrologer, you do have to kind of like, look at their chart ahead of time, have some thoughts and ideas and come with that, and but then you also have to, like, ask them questions about their life, too. But it's like, with the research readings, you don't even have to have the preconceived notions just like well, what is like, Mars and cancer show up for you like in the finance, like, what does that mean for you? Yeah, sometimes

Kyle Pierce 1:06:10

I'll even have like a list of just like, Alright, does. Do you experience this? Do you experience this? Do you experience this? I won't necessarily do that. But it just depends on whatever you're in your chart interests me to reverse the roles a

Bonnie May 1:06:20

little bit, especially if it's like a really interesting or unique placement. It's like, oh, it's

Kyle Pierce 1:06:24

like, yeah, yeah, I

Bonnie May 1:06:25

think that's, that's very Scorpios like collecting all the information, like all the research.

Kyle Pierce 1:06:31

Yeah. And it's fun, and people have gotten a lot out of it, too. So you know, you can do that you can also book regular reading with me. And we also got a flood. Oh, yeah. at Pembroke, who you may remember from the aspects episode, I don't know if we're gonna get the second one out before this episode comes out or not. We have started a new podcast, the weekly podcast exactly 60 minutes long every week, called wandering stars, where we get to do just just get to talk about whatever we're interested in. Astrology wise, which may be interesting to you. If you're interested in just hearing what astrologers have to say about astrology. The only difference is that there's there's no structure necessarily impose just natural conversation, which is probably a lot like this episode.

Bonnie May 1:07:21

I think this has been very similar. Yeah, but I'm gonna check out that podcast.

Kyle Pierce 1:07:26

Um, and then of course, check out read becoming the one will be awesome. But yeah. Thanks so much for joining me today, Bonnie. Yeah. And, yeah, always welcome on the show. And then thanks, everyone for listening. See you next time.

Bonnie May 1:07:49

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