T-Squares and Grand Trines
Tristan 00:04
Hello and welcome to the astrology hotline where we answer your questions about your birth chart or about astrology in general. Today is Saturday July 3. My name is Tristan Paylor and Co-hosting with me today is Kyle Pierce. Well, everyone, we're both professional astrologers with an eclectic approach built on the foundation of Hellenistic astrology. And we've got a couple of listener questions to share with you today and interpret. If you want to do you want to go ahead and introduce our first question, Kyle?
Kyle 00:39
Sure, we can go ahead and get started. So our first question is from Katie. Katie asks, transiting Mars opposite natal Mars, how does that often present especially now with Mars in the T square with Saturn and Uranus? I'm having a major case of the I don't cares right now. And I have a feeling it is because of the pile up of planets involved in this T square. Uranus is conjoined my natal Kryon and Taurus right now, too. And Mars is sitting on my natal north node about to conjoin my natal Mars. The overall energy lately has been what am I doing with my life? Can I sustain this current work I'm doing and why am I bothering anymore? Lots of listless I don't have the drive or care feelings. So, Katie, excellent question. I was really eager to answer this one, because it involves a really significant aspect pattern that I think is really characterizing the the current astrological weather, but I also happen to be kind of in the crosshairs of it. So I'm definitely feeling it. I have a like a sun Jupiter conjunction about 12 ish degrees of Taurus. So it's right and in the heart of the action. So, you know, to address the first part of your question, transiting Mars, opposite natal Mars, you know, that's going to vary a lot, depending on you know, what else is involved in a transit? I think in a general sense, I think of it kind of like in terms of phase, like a full moon. So maybe kind of like the culminating phase of the Mars cycle, as it pertains to your chart and what it points to in your chart. But I think in this case, we've really got to put it in the context of, you know, the current transit, how would you typically read a transiting Mars opposing natal Mars?
Tristan 02:35
I mean, the first thing I think about is the nature of the aspect itself. The nature, the nature's of the aspects get you some of their significations from the planet they're associated with and the opposition is the aspect of Saturn. So it has the character of delays and frustrations, putting things on hold challenges and setbacks, you know, need to find balance, that sort of thing. So while you might think any sort of Mars Mars aspect might be energizing, I'd expect the Mars opposition to be I mean, when you think about its place, in the cycle of Mars aspects, like, you know, Kyle was just sort of touching on. It's the point where whatever projects Mars has been working on get kind of put on hold or challenged or questioned in some way. So, with transits, I like to look at the cycle of the aspects I like to look at the last aspect the transiting planet made to the relevant planet. So the last time Mars made an aspect to your natal Mars, it made a Trine aspect from the beginning of March to the end of April, when Mars was in Gemini. So if you look back on that period, and maybe identify some themes that are connected to what Mars represents, in your chart, you might notice that stuff that you were working on then has been kind of put on hold now. If you were pushing yourself too hard, the Mars opposition can represent a time of of burnout.
Kyle 04:26
Yeah. I tend to agree, opposition's do have that that nature, nature of Saturn. I sort of think that, you know, it obviously depends on the planet involved. But I think that it kind of has that quality in part because of it being sort of a a ripeness or a fullness of that cycle, kind of like you finished your first draft and kind of submitting it for review. And that's when you kind of maybe become like aware of all the problems with Uh, you know, whatever that project is. So I mean, I think there's already kind of built in to the transit like, reassessment, you know, how am I gonna move on to the next phase the sort of culminating or culminating the disseminating phase where you kind of proceed offload, you know, sort of carry forward with the project.
Tristan 05:19
And act actually, I've had this transit recently, my Mars is in Capricorn in the seventh house. So when I was reading your question that made me think about my own experience during that transit, and also made me look back at what was going on the time previously, when Mars made a Trine aspect. I won't get into you know, the minutiae of my own charts, I'll just focus on, you know, Mars being in my seventh house and being opposed from my first house. And the previous part of the cycle when I had Mars Trine Mars was not long after my partner and I moved into a new place. And, you know, I think it was actually during that transit of Mars Trine, my natal Mars that we, you know, finally finished unpacking the living room, and we were, you know, becoming accustomed to a new routine as a couple in a new space. And, you know, that was all fine and dandy. And, you know, trends are often easy and not all that noticeable. So then when the Mars opposition comes around, sometimes, you know, that can represent a time of those things being challenged. And when Mars opposed my Mars, my partner got pretty sick, he's fine, everything's okay. But, you know, the sort of routine that we had established as a couple in our space, and the division of responsibilities that had become a routine was kind of shaken up. And I had to take on more responsibility, just you know, Mars and Capricorn. And then, you know, during that period, I also sustained a minor injury to my hand, and one of the extra responsibilities I was taking on around the house was bringing the chickens outside in the morning. And it's this whole contraption with a rope. And it's very hard to do when I don't have a serious injury. But it was enough, like, there's some bruising on my hand that it made it difficult. So it's just like, kind of one thing after another, that was kind of shaking things up in, you know, forcing me to certain Mars related projects that I had on the go, you know, in my work life, or in my personal life, were kind of, you know, delayed or disrupted. And I mean, none of this was, you know, a huge deal or anything like that, and everything is fine. But, you know, I don't I don't tell these stories to scare anyone, but it just seemed symbolically very fitting. You know, that's just sort of one thing after another getting in the way, we, you know, walls in front of you kind of experience.
Kyle 08:02
Yeah, that's making me think of, again, I don't want to get too off track. Because I want to, you know, we want to talk about like the aspect pattern in general, but I think with like, yeah, the Mars opposition. And that kind of point in the cycle, like Mars is very directed, has a goal, that it's, you know, can be pretty single minded. And I think the opposition is kind of when things catch up with Mars, you know, maybe when all the minutia catches up all the the sort of issues in details that may be hidden, hinder, or create obstacles. Think about it as like a, you know, with Mars, I always have to use like war analogies, but like when you're on a campaign, and you've like, invaded, you know, the enemy country, and you've gotten so far into enemy territory, you take on both land. And at that point, you have to kind of consolidate your resources, you know, everything's kind of all spread out, you know, the peasants are revolting. You gotta kind of deal with everything that you've gained, so far, before you can make any more progress.
Tristan 09:12
Well, one thing, you know, I do want to say, when you're looking at planets in your chart that are affected by transits. I think something that my example really drove home for me is that you're not only looking at, you know, your own subjective experience, and what's happening to you, but also the people around you, because the planets in your chart represent people in your life as well. And, you know, this this pile up of, you know, planets in T square, that are transiting through your chart or transiting through the angular houses. The fourth, the seventh and the 10th, which are the most I mean, for one, those are the most sort of active prominent areas of life. If and, you know, that can certainly represent a lot, if there's any tension between those three areas of life, those tensions can, you know, come to a head. But, you know, with the fourth house and the seventh Paris in particular, you know, those houses also relate to other people. And so, you know, with my experience of Mars, opposition Mars, like, my partner had it a whole lot worse than I did, he's the one who actually got sick, I was fine, you know, I had a very minor hand injury that has nothing to complain about. But you know, he, he was not having a great time. And sometimes those malefic transits, you know, can show up that way where, you know, you've got Mars in the fourth house, and Saturn is transiting over that which, you know, compounds the opposition, you know, with that sense of frustration and things being slowed down, or maybe burnout. But that stuff that like maybe roommates or family members, might also be encountering some of those themes in their own lives. And, you know, those situations in their lives also have an impact on your own. So that's, that's something to be mindful of, too. When you're interpreting transits. I think, you know, obviously, your experiences that you are feeling this, these themes playing out personally, and Mars happens to rule your first house, you know, so that makes a ton of sense that this would be affecting you on a very personal level as well. But it's worth worth sort of thinking about other people in your life too, and what they're going through and how that might be affecting how you're feeling.
Kyle 11:36
For sure. I'd say almost more often than not, like a lot of like big transits, you're expecting something really significant for yourself, and it's just an issue that you're dealing with, it involves somebody else, or, you know, it's not always about you. But from what you've described, sounds like you're feeling what I think a lot of people with sensitive points that are being hit by this transit are feeling and think it, it's gonna play out very differently for, you know, depending on, you know, what plan is being activated. But I want to talk a little bit about it, kind of generally. Actually, Tristan, did you see that clip? Kind of going around on the internet? Right now? The pipeline burst, the gas line burst in the Gulf of Mexico?
Tristan 12:26
I have not seen it. Alright, I'm gonna
Kyle 12:28
send you a quick link.
Tristan 12:33
Is there literally fire in the water? Yes.
Kyle 12:38
So for those who haven't seen the video, there's fire bubbling up, like emerging from the water. But it literally looks like you know, there's a, like a just, you know, a ball of flames in the water, like the water itself is on fire.
Tristan 12:55
And I mean, if that's not when I think about the hard aspect, part of aspects cycles, especially those that involve Saturn, because Saturn represents time and the consequences of our actions, you know, I can't help looking at this and thinking is here are the consequences of our actions. This is that part of you know, the the narrative where what was done and seemed like an okay idea at the time. Turns out not to be such a great idea after all,
Kyle 13:28
yeah, you burning pipelines with the ocean of flammable gas, or oil, you know, has consequences. But I think what I find the most interesting about it, because when I think about for anybody, maybe not watching the the transits right now, Uranus is in Taurus, about 12 degrees, 13 degrees. Saturn is in Aquarius, about 12 degrees and Mars, as of today, the third of July. It's just separating from an opposition with Saturn. So the way I kind of look at it, in general, can help it like focus on Mars and Saturn first, because like they're the most visible, kind of tangible planets. Mars and Saturn deal with very kind of opposite principles. Not completely, but Mars has a lot of momentum. And it's kind of like a, like relentless kind of pushing forward, kind of bet at any cost. And so you get like sort of severing and cutting with Mars, it's just that's in the way, I'm going to cut through it. With Saturn opposing Mars. It's creating obstacles and barriers to Mars. And I would say that these transits, you know, generally come with frustration. And I'm actually going to nickname this one the spirit Crusher, Leo, Mars in Leo. It can be it's very egocentric, a very kind of personal drive and will and getting with you Maybe you want more or less at all costs, you know, Mars wants what it wants, right? Saturn is kind of saying now Mars, what you want doesn't necessarily matter or what you want is unsustainable. And Saturn I think, is in a stronger position overall being in its own sign. Mars, you can sort of do its thing and Leo but it's not particularly you know doesn't have any like essential dignity. But you know with Uranus kind of in square with Mars, it's really like pushing Mars forward. It's like Mars wants to go, go go now, you know, together, it's like just blasting through obstacles. But Saturn is creating obstacles for, for for for Mars to the blast through and I feel like particularly kind of at this phase in the transit, it's just kind of feeling like defeating it's very repressive and defeating kind of configuration. I can't help but think of, you know, Mars and Uranus keep thinking like the Kool Aid man, how he would bust through a wall and the party. He would like show up at the party. Kind of blasted rollin. Oh, yeah. And, you know, it was never really addressed in the commercial, but he's like, happy to see the Kool Aid man but reality like, Dude, you just blasted a hole to my house. You know, I think said I'm saying like, no, come through the front door Kool Aid man. And the Kool Aid man might just be like, huh, like, what's the what's even the point? Like, I can't even I can't make my entrance. Like, I'm not really the Kool Aid man, if I can't blast through the wall. I think that's what it's transit sort of feels like to me, it just feels like, you know, like, you don't? What's the point? I can't bless the wall.
Tristan 16:52
I think one thing too, when you're interpreting your own transits is to take your perfection year into account and to perfect not only from the ascendant, but also from the SEC light, whichever, the sun or the moon. You know, if you were born during the day, then the sun is your SEC light. And if you were born at night, that's the moon. And perfecting from that point can also tell you a lot about the themes that are astrologically relevant that year. And, you know, looking at your perfections Katie, you know, Jupiter, is your time, Lord, perfecting from your ascendant, and Jupiter is going to make their way back into Aquarius. And I've been thinking about this retrograde period, as you know, Jupiter kind of seeing that their friends are in trouble, like, Oh, crap, this T square is formed since I've been gone, I better go back and help out. So you know, maybe Jupiter moving back into your fourth house and getting involved in the T square can can start to kind of smooth things over.
Kyle 18:09
Yeah, I think that that configuration needs some attention from benefics. And, you know, Venus is in the mix, but it seems like Venus is a little bit too involved to really be able to smooth anything out. She's kind of like in the mix and like, you know, gonna be on the receiving end. I think we're at Venus right now is about to hit that opposition. Yeah, it's about seven degrees. So I mean, it's on its way. But the thing is, now you've spotted this. Yeah, Tristan, but Jupiter when it Retrogrades back into Aquarius. Mars is going to be exiting, like just the same time. But it's sort of like like as Jupiter makes its way back into Aquarius. It's going to hit that opposition with Mars, right? It's it's leaving. It's kind of like Mars like kicking Jupiter in the balls as he comes. Z shows up or you know, like walking in on an argument or like walking in like right at somebody is storming out of the room? You know,
Tristan 19:09
I like that image a lot. Like whoa,
Kyle 19:10
what happened? You know, what's the deal with the dress? What just happened
Tristan 19:16
here? Yeah, I think in the big picture sense you know, Jupiter is definitely going to have their hands full but I think at least for Katie, because Jupiter's a Time Lord, hopefully that provides some you know, a really it's a positive Omen in in your chart, Katie you know, on the larger scale, Jupiter is probably still going to perhaps regret walking back in that door.
Kyle 19:42
It's kind of like a Yeah, I mean, think Jupiter would rather stay in Pisces, but yeah, we need your Jupiter.
Tristan 19:49
Please, please come help us Jupiter. Venus can't do it alone. We need both the genetics in here to mediate this whole situation.
Kyle 19:58
Yeah, for sure. Um, I'm kind of looking forward to Jupiter coming back for a little bit. Kind of like all Saturn, you know, is a little can be a little rough. Speaking of which, I think that I mean, it's notable or interesting that, you know, Katie has Jupiter and Saturn in Libra conjunct natively. So I mean, I feel like the two are used to working together for Katie. So, I mean, I think that I think relief is on the way. But I would say, you know, in the meantime, sort of my remediate of advice, you know, Mars, I think when like Mars energy is being like suppressed, or or constrained or restricted, which I think shows up in Katie's chart natively. So Saturn is ruling Mars and Aquarius. There's like a kind of a sign based Trine there, which you know, is generally a more cooperative aspect. But Saturn, you know, without a sect, it's exalted. But it's still you know, a little bit more difficult, even through trying like there is some restriction and restraint and restraining that Mars is always gonna be kind of dealing with in a Saturn ruled sign, especially if it's well configured to it. The more constructive, more positive but maybe not always suggested, subjectively easy. I think that restriction and restraint can build up think that it actually it takes a lot of energy to restrain Mars. While like pent up energy can kind of manifest as like depression, or even like low energy, like it's, you need like a raw outlet for Mars. Personally, my preferred method of remediation is a punching bag I find that I sort of like opens my channels up when I sort of lay in my punching bag and throw some some Mars energy at it sort of like getting that raw Mars energy out to make way for you know, a little more of a balanced you know Mark that you can apply to writing projects are or more mundane affairs, getting the dishes done. And you have a Saturn ruled Mars. Granted, you have the exalted Saturn ruled Mars. I as well as Katie, I have Mars and Aquarius. So it's a little bit more of the challenging Saturn ruled Mars, but I do think you get similar themes. Maybe Mars doesn't like to be as constrained in Aquarius, I don't think it likes Air signs as much in general doesn't really do as great with mine stuff.
Tristan 22:35
I like your point about restraining energy takes energy, and what looks on the surface, like, like calm inside can actually feel very fatiguing, trying to maintain that state of calm. Yeah. And I think when there is desire or energy that wants to be expressed somehow, and it's been held down for so long, that can manifest as that sense of pointlessness, like I've given up caring because every time I try to let this out, or try to get this ball rolling, something gets in the way.
Kyle 23:21
I think to you know, Katie, describing that sort of, I don't care sort of feeling which, you know, dealing similarly, you know, what it takes, like, some effort to kind of get up and going. times, I think that that is sort of like the face that we paint on Mars as I don't give a fuck energy, you know. And I think that that's sort of what needs that an outlet. Because I don't think that's how, you know, any of us want to feel regularly but you know, if we don't have an outlet for it, if we don't have an outlet for the aggression, that Mars points to, I think with with Mars and Aquarius, specifically, because Saturn's like so negating, and so, in particular, an Aquarius is kind of more on the ideal plane idea plain. Mars will just kind of say, nah, nah, I'm not going to show up to that party. Not only like it, you know, like Mars shows Mars in Aquarius shows aggression by walking out of the room, which is kind of like a passive, passive aggressive, passive aggression. So if you can find something to like, be actively aggressive towards that safe and healthy and constructive, think that some of that blockage will clear. But also think that the energy is about to shift, because Mars sort of gets away from that opposition from Saturn and hits Uranus. Which is that is it doing that now? Is that like exact? 21 It's on its way it's close. Really, by the time this gets out, it'll get passed. But I think that's the point when like Mars is kind of separating from the opposition, and is a little more on the Uranus side, when you'll get more of that, like, Mars energy coming through, and I think you may not get a choice, you know, you might, if you're not finding, like appropriate channels, you might start snapping, you know, at people, hopefully not publicly in the 10th house. But I did want to mention real quick, I found it really interesting that, you know, Bill Cosby being released from prison, when I looked at his chart, his Uranus return is going exact, like, literally, it might even be separating from it now, like within days of going exact. So that kind of surprised me a little bit with like, Mars, Uranus, I mean, it seems like kind of constraining and like, I think maybe Uranus has like, the more, we're more dominant in the configuration, as far as Bill Cosby is concerned, not speaking, you know, talk about his filter, in essence, really, but you're getting more of that liberation, and of Uranus. And I guess that's like, the big theme is that I think that there is potential for liberation, even in like a difficult monolithic T square, I think it's sort of begging for something to be liberated. And that could be more constructive or more negative, you know, maybe you have a car. Imagine having like a car that you're leasing that you're like, I paying way too much for this is costing way too much money. You know, that could look like crashing it getting out of it that way, which is, you know, a little less productive, or you could, you know, find somebody to sort of take over that lease for you or, you know, get sort of some sort of trade and trading arrangement. Car Dealership. Katie kind of brought up sustainability. Right. Did you already say something about that?
Tristan 27:01
Or about sustainability? I mean, I mentioned burnout,
Kyle 27:08
burnout. Yeah, for sure. I think that's I mean, yeah, it's kind of like the burnout point. I think for a lot of people.
Tristan 27:18
I mean, that makes sense to like, coming to getting to a point in the pandemic, where a lot of people are vaccinated, and things are opening back up. Just you know, I'm in Canada. So that's happening a little bit more slowly here, but it is happening. All of this sort of frustration and pressure that has built up, you know, during that time, there is that, you know, sense of wanting to be released and a sense of fear, and, you know, all that kind of stuff that's happening on a collective level for us all right now. And, you know, I think some of us, I'm definitely, in the camp of people who put, you know, perhaps too much pressure on myself during lockdown to sort of make something of that time, while you know, living through a global pandemic, which is an extremely stressful thing for all of us to live through. So you know, that kind of pressure, when undergoing a lot of external stress at the same time can reach a breaking point. And, you know, sometimes when we're feeling that, and we look at the transits, and we see things that resonate with that feeling, it's a sign that it's actually time to take a break. It's okay to take a break, it's okay to relax. And, you know, with the way this is playing out in your chart, Katie, you know, affecting all of the angular houses, basically, you know, your identity, your home and family, your relationships and your career in public life, and your coworkers, all that stuff is relevant to these transits moving through your chart. And if there is tension between those areas of life that takes a lot of time to sort of tease all that out. And, you know, work out your priorities, you know, and where some of those areas of life might be interfering with priorities and the other ones in a negative way. And it's just it takes time, and it's okay to just take a vacation from it. Take all the time, you need to process it.
Kyle 29:32
Yeah. I think you brought up a good point about like the pressure thing and like what kind of pressure is sustainable? Obviously, you need like a certain amount of pressure to propel things forward. But when that reaches like a critical point where it's too much like gas in a pipe, it explodes and creates a big ball of fire in the ocean. You know, Despite is able to sustain itself. I think that that, like might tell anybody something maybe about who has many planets significantly configured to that pattern. But you know, there is there's something there that needs to be released in a constructive way, rather than destructive one. But you know, you have to hit the release valve I suppose for, you know, waiting for the explosion to happen, or stop putting so much gas in the pipe. But, um, yeah, with that, we want to move on to our next question.
Tristan 30:39
Sounds good. And on the topic of Mullah fix, Keith has just dug a 100 foot, two foot deep trench through the yard, and is now breaking into the foundation of our house. So it's around me Oh, and I feel great about it. Oh, he's Yeah, running electricity out to future chicken coop. So
Kyle 31:07
that's badass. That yeah, that's, that's constructive Mars, Saturn opposition? Yes.
Tristan 31:13
Yes, it is. All right. So our next question comes from Sammy, who has a grand Trine in the water signs and their birth chart and wants to know more about what grand trines mean, or what their grand Trine specifically means. So a grand Trine, you know, obviously represents a chain of support and a chart. And while it looks very beautiful and dramatic, something I find with trines is that they can actually be very subtle, we have a real tendency to notice things that are not working or that are not going well, or that are challenging. And when things are going smoothly. There's a tendency that we all have this is universal, I believe, to sort of take that for granted. It's like when you get a bad flu, or bad colds, that feeling when you start feeling better again, and you're like, I am never going to take for granted just feeling normal ever again. But we all do, right. Like we just we forget how good it feels to just feel normal until we have a cold again. So I think a grand Trine can be a little bit like that, it can be a little quiet, it can be a little subtle, you have to kind of do some thinking to tease out how it shows up in your life because it's often things underlying your, your, the structures of your life that just you know, tend to go. Okay, and so they're hard to see. But the condition of the planets involved in a grand Trine is also important to note because trines are indicative of support. If you have a planet that's in kind of rough shape and your chart, and it's supporting a planet that's also in kind of rough shape, that can look a little bit more like enabling than like constructive support. Kyle, do you want to say anything sort of more generally about the grand Trine as a configuration?
Kyle 33:18
Yeah. So I think like you said, a grand Trine, you know, points to most of the time support, like you were saying, like, we don't necessarily know the things, notice the things that go well in our lives as much as we notice. And the big problems, like squares are more like direct confrontations. And, you know, depending on the type of person you are, you know, some people I do hear that these people exist, that, you know, notice how, how lovely the sun is being out today, or how nice the flowers smell. I know that those people do exist, I think for the rest of us when something's going smoothly, like oh, yeah, that's, that's just kind of there. But I mean, it does speak to cooperation and support and there's kind of like a feedback loop of it too. You know, when you see, like a grand Trine like that, you know, I think kind of what you're saying to like, the conditions of those planets matter a lot. But I also believe look at reception to like, what kind of reception is taking place those planets? I don't know if you're gonna get into that a little bit, but it does look like there's quite a bit of taking place.
Tristan 34:27
Yeah. I will, I will start a little more generally. And then I think move into the details because you know, you do you want to get into the nitty gritty and look at which planets are involved and what they're saying to each other. But I will say sort of more broadly, that the the Trine is an aspect that has the nature of Jupiter and so it has this quality of bestowing blessing or favor, you know, sort of like someone in a in a issue of great influence, or someone with a with great wisdom, or a lot of resources is able to sort of bless people with with this wisdom or with these resources. And you know, you also want to look at, obviously the houses that are involved in the grand Trine. And in Sam's case, that's the first, the fifth and the ninth. And so what you have is a chain of support between the first house which is identity and self expression and personal agency, and the fifth house, which is creativity and the ninth house, which is spirituality and higher learning and all the ways that we sort of transcend what you know, we're normally capable of seeing or understanding, you know, whether that's through study or through spiritual practice are through exploration, through travel, that kind of stuff. So you've you've got this supportive configuration between those three areas of your life. And then if you want to get more into the details of what's happening in the grand Trine, it's important to look at which planets are earlier in zodiacal order because that's how you can see what direction the chain of support is moving in through the grand Trine planets that are if a if a planet is making a an aspect to another planet, the planet that is earlier in zodiacal order. So say for example, in this grand Trine Mercury is in cancer, and Jupiter is in Scorpio. So cancer is earlier in this series of signs than Scorpio is and the planet that is earlier is going to be the one with more influence in the configuration. So that planet is the bestower of the blessing that's characterized by the Trine that planet is in a position of offering help and support to the planet that's later in zodiacal order do tend to start up, you know, please do
Kyle 37:12
I agree with that. I also I mean, I sort of look at to the planets earlier in the dial order. It has, you know, it is kind of the Bestower. But it also can call upon, you know, the other planet to like it's sort of in charge, you know, kind of like what you're saying of the nature of Jupiter. Jupiter, often think of as is like a patron or a has a bunch of stuff to offer wisdom, money, but they can also you know, being the the patron or the bestower of the good can call upon you to like, oh, I you know, hey, can you you know, you're a musician? Can you write a song for my my niece? It's her birthday, you know. But anyway, not to cut you off?
Tristan 38:03
No, that's a really, really good point. And I'm glad you brought that up because there is it's not like it's it only goes one way if there's an aspect it does go both ways. But there is one planet that tends to, you know, have this sort of play play that role of being more of the leader in the configuration. So if we move through the Trine in your chart, Sam in zodiacal order, you know, we start with mercury, Trine Jupiter. And you know, here you have mercury in the in the first house. So there is self expression supporting creativity, supporting artistic creativity, supporting you know, fun and recreation. The Fifth house is the party house. It's the fun house. It's where we do things that feel good. And then, you know, as you move along, you have Jupiter supporting Saturn and Saturn's in the ninth house. So you see, you know, the fifth house this creativity, supporting spiritualities, supporting higher learning, supporting exploration, and then Saturn supporting mercury. And because I know something about the context of of Sam's life, I really I'm focusing on the spirituality signification of the ninth house here in particular, you know that spirituality then supports self expression supporting mercury in the first house. The most interesting detail I've noticed about this specific grand Trine is the configuration between Jupiter and Saturn within it. Jupiter is actually quantifying Saturn, because Jupiter is in you know what's called the superior position being earlier in zodiacal order Jupiter is bestowing that favor upon Saturn and can also ask Saturn for things. And Saturn in rural Saturn too, and there's reception Saturn is in Pisces, Saturn is in Jupiter sign. So that's like a very, very positive configuration between these two. You know, Jupiter is playing host to Saturn because Saturn is in Jupiter sign. And because there's a positive configuration that you know, Saturn stay in Jupiter's house is, you know, perhaps that of a well liked guests, Saturn is going to be taken care of in this situation. And you know, to get some details of how that would actually look, or what areas of life to look for that theme playing out, you know, you'd look at the houses they're in which I've briefly touched on, you can also look at the houses they roll. In particular, I was looking at the houses that Saturn rules, because Saturn is the one being bonafide and Saturn rules, the seventh house and the eighth house. So you know, the seventh house obviously, is relationships, the eighth house usually shows up as, you know, other people's resources, and some darker connotations, obviously. But, you know, those those topics are being given some support by Jupiter. And that doesn't mean that those topics are always easy. Jupiter's actually being maltreated through an opposition with Mars who's the out of sect malefic So Mars is the most challenging planet in this chart. So Jupiter, you know is is trying
Kyle 41:46
mean there is reception with that opposition. Mars rules Jupiter
Tristan 41:51
in Scorpio, yes, there is there is reception between them. So it's, you know, a much easier opposition than it could otherwise be. But it's still challenging. Jupiter still has an Jupiter's retrograde. Jupiter still has, you know, some challenges to deal with and Saturn, no matter how well configured or well placed is a challenging planet Saturn doesn't represent things that are easy. So it doesn't necessarily mean that the topics of those two houses are always easy, and being ruled by Saturn. You know, getting good things out of those houses can still take more time, because Saturn does not do anything quickly. And has very high standards for you know, for what they will let into those houses in your life. But it nonetheless is a good place to look. If you're thinking you know, how, where do I look for support in my life around these topics, that aspect from Jupiter can give you some insight into things that might support relationships and support, you know, we all end up in debt of some kind, you know, at some point in our lives, which is something the eighth house represents Jupiter, you know is is optimism and faith and spirituality and because I think spirituality is a big component of this grand Trine in general and of the relationship between Jupiter and Saturn. You know, I would expect that things like artistic creativity, which is in the fifth house as well as you know, spirituality, divination, those are our topics that would be supportive of what Saturn is trying to do in your chart and, you know, ruling the seventh and eighth
Kyle 43:40
Yeah. I guess I'm on that topic. It's making me think of student loan debt. It's like Saturn in the ninth ruling the eighth wonder, I wonder if there is a lot of student loan debt, but I would tend to think that that's going to go go better. Like you know, I would say if, you know, this person was asking, like, I want to go to I want to study this, but you know, I have to take on so much debt to get that degree or get that series of degrees. I don't know if it's worth it. I would say it's, that's probably worth it. I mean, it's probably gonna work out. The other thing I can't help but I mean, there's a bunch of really interesting stuff about this chart because you know, Jupiter, so Mercury being in the first house and that trine with Jupiter you know, there's some reception there since Jupiter you know, exalted in the sign of cancer. I it being in the fifth house like I know the whole configuration like seems like really good for storytelling. Might be like a very, like Jupiter in Scorpio for some reason I always think of kind of like suspense, like like being I don't know like knowing how to like foster suspense effect. We'd like Alfred Hitchcock had Jupiter in Scorpio. I think Stephen King did two very good storytellers. And, you know, Mercury has his joy in the first you know, like the somebody who like likes, likes to talk likes to and it made me more comfortable speaking publicly. Maybe maybe not. Mercury's retrograde but I think what also maybe reinforces that to me going off on the wrong track but but mutual reception with mercury and in the moon I know we're talking about the grand Trine, the Water Trine, but there is kind of a Grand Earth trying to it's not super tight by aspect. But there are planets in all of the earth signs. Mars and Taurus, the moon and Virgo in the third and Uranus and Neptune in Capricorn. There's kind of like a what do they call that seems like a spider web or something but like more pleasant spider web. But like the moon you know the moons and it's joined the third Mercury's and it's joy in the first and kind of mercury having like Jupiter to lean on can be even like latent storytelling ability or something like because Mercury and Jupiter both retrograde Yeah, I mean, Saturn to being in the ninth house. It isn't kind of the overcoming trine with mercury. But I would say that, you know, Saturn is in pretty good condition. Gonna, you know, think traditionally, even like mercury, Saturn aspects were to be kind of like stabilizing, sort of give mercury, you know, more direction a little more.
Tristan 46:55
Yeah, I've something that I learned early on, in my astrology studies, I had a teacher told me, It's better to have any aspects between Saturn and mercury than none. Because Saturn can really ground mercury and organized mercury. And I also it's interesting that Mercury rules the third house, and Saturn is in the ninth house. Which, you know, seems like a nice aspect for someone with a great deal of spiritual insight, but also a good student. You know, these are both both houses that are relevant to the topic of school and also the topic of spirituality. And Mercury's trying to manage that third house for you. Mercury's in charge of that. So getting some support from Saturn, especially when Saturn's in the ninth is definitely you know, an ally in those areas of life and will help with you know, third house stuff and ninth house stuff and Mercury stuff. All that kind of stuff. It's it's pretty easy to become unglued. You know, when you're, you know, really, really stretching your mind to its limits, whether that's through study or through spiritual exercises or mystical experiences. So retrofittable Yeah, I would bet yeah. So having Saturn there to ground those areas of life and focus things I think is really, really important. You know, Saturn is a good BS detector and can, you know, help you with discernment and, you know, can help you you know, when Mercury is taking on, you know, too many interests. Saturn can kind of narrow that a little bit and keep mercury on task.
Kyle 48:57
Yeah, I think mercury in cancer to kind of tends to talk circles sometimes. And I think that Saturn can help that out a little bit too. You know, you know, we have these kind of two opposition's to the moon is supplying to an opposition with Saturn, which, you know, it's pretty challenging aspect. And, you know, we have that Mars Jupiter opposition, but what I like about that grand Trine, and the way it's configured to those opposition's like, it's kind of in a position to like to think of those you know, there's an opposition between two planets and like a Trine and sextile respectively with another planet. That planet can sort of serve as a mediator. Like, like, think of, it's like translating a mediator, like, you know, these two planets are having a conflict. And this third planet, you know, has a more cooperative relationship with both of them and can kind of think of like to kind of like high school, or know like to friends or having an argument and like the third friend can talk to both of them and be like, hey, you know, surely, thanks. Your backflips are really great on the cheerleading team. And Katherine's like, Oh, I didn't know, she felt that way about me cheerleading. You know, like, I don't know, like, they may be able to like open open dialogue between the two of us to to facilitate it with a more.
Tristan 50:23
Yeah, and I mean, just looking at the big picture of all those aspects and how they relate to each other, you know, the way the opposition's are getting a bit of help from that grand Trine, and from the harmonious aspect patterns that are going on in this chart. Makes me wonder if, you know, maybe there's a skill for mediation, or a tendency to find mediators when they're necessary. That that's, that's perhaps a theme that's going on. And you know, I'd have to dive into the weeds a little bit, you know, to dig out details of how that might look more specifically, but just, in a broader sense, like, could indicate a skill for conflict resolution, or a tendency to, you know, find people who do have that skill when it's necessary to employ it. Doesn't mean there's no conflict. But, you know, accessing those mediation skills, whether within yourself or from other people is perhaps something that's helping when there are challenges in conflict.
Kyle 51:27
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I would say that I mean, it does point to there being conflict. Yeah, but even you know what, that's what I love about actually, some of my, like, my personal keywords with Jupiter in Scorpio is like the gaining wisdom through conflict. There's so much here too, that points to like divination or, like occult wisdom called knowledge, like, thinking to have a door at door theists. Because the Egyptian
Tristan 52:03
retort is rhetorical, or as the Egyptian
Kyle 52:06
Yes. Pretorius, the Egyptian says that Saturn and mercury and aspect make astrologers. I don't know if it you know, they have an interest in in astrology specifically. I mean, they're asking a question to a couple of astrologers about their charts. So probably answers that but they, you know, they might be actually very gifted astrologers if they chose to go that way.
Tristan 52:33
Yep. Or taro or tarot, or any other form of divination and also the eighth house connection with, you know, Saturn ruling the eighth house from the ninth also makes me think of mediumship Yeah, you know, talking to talking to spirits talking to the departed, you know, feeling a connection, spiritual connection with the departed with with ancestors doing ancestor work, that kind of thing?
Kyle 53:01
Absolutely. They're all like, very visible, that whole configuration, it's very, it's all has, like a kind of a clean relationship with, with the ascendant.
Tristan 53:09
Yeah. Yeah. So it has a lot of opportunity to actually be personally expressed. And there's an extent to which, you know, I mean, if, if a grand Trine was happening, between supporting houses, like, you know, the 11th house was involved, and, you know, that might, the symbolism of that might have more to do with other people or circumstances and the environment, giving you support, and not necessarily something that, you know, you naturally consciously take hold of. Whereas, you know, with mercury in the first house, being involved, there's kind of an opportunity for this grand trine to be expressed in the personality and for, you know, the strengths and resources that it represents. Being able to really consciously take hold of that and like, kind of a good sign that, you know, the decisions that you make with your own agency are probably sound, because that's what the first house is all about is, you know, your own decisions. So if, you know, this is the kind of support that you know your chart is giving you then I feel like that's that's a good indication that like, you're probably on the right track when you make choices.
Kyle 54:26
Yeah. Yeah, I'd say that. Yeah. Can your big decision making planets are well situated especially you know, the ruler of the first being the moon in its joy and the third that awesome, really badass, mutual reception with mercury. I'm like, I love that looks. That's awesome. Again, you know what? I'm thinking about it like you know if they're really into tarot, maybe a lot of Tarot to me my expense So what is storytelling? It's being able to connect you know the cards together and pull a story out of that you know resonates with people yeah I would say be very gifted tarot card reader if it's something that they're into
Tristan 55:16
yeah I mean the whole Major Arcana is just you know one long narrative it's a very it's it's a divinity story art that lends itself very well to narrative.
Kyle 55:29
Yeah. Which I mean astrology I feel like is similar to you know, oh yeah hopefully meaningful from from the symbols
Tristan 55:39
Yeah, and figuring out you know, what kind of stories they're telling you've got your characters and they're all having their dialogue with each other and you know, how are they moving the plot forward or you know, which which ones are foils to the others? Yeah are always all kinds of stories going on in a birth chart.
Kyle 55:58
Just thinking at the most trying to like counteract a little bit I can do that way my brain works like look for what could possibly be negative about this. And the only thing I can think of, I guess what like that, you know, grand Trine specifically it's like the could be like, a tendency to to look for drama in the story. I don't know create drama in the story. I don't know.
Tristan 56:27
Maybe like Saturn's. Saturn's probably gonna lean that in? Yeah, Saturn's not very pro drama. Yeah.
Kyle 56:37
Yeah, yeah, I sort of like that. I mean, I think they could if they wanted to. Jupiter, like come on Saturn. Let me just let me just embellish this like a little bit. You know,
Tristan 56:48
that's true. Jupiter has a lot of power here to push Saturn around.
Kyle 56:52
I kind of see Jupiter as having like the most sort of power in that grand Trine?
Tristan 56:57
Definitely.
Kyle 57:00
Yeah, I mean, it'd be like the right kind of drama just like a little suspense.
Tristan 57:06
Well, in the fifth house, too dramatic. That's that's that's about fun. Yeah, you've got it. You got Jupiter in the fifth? Definitely, like big on Good Times. Yeah. And with a Mars ruled fifth what those good times are might be a little unconventional.
Kyle 57:24
Yeah, for sure. Again, too, may or may not be a tarot card reader, but they are. I've been to several. For awhile, I wasn't going getting readings all the time. And often we just like to I like the ones that like made it fun. I don't know that like we're fun and easy to be with. I don't know. Like the we're like a little too serious a little too like business like you know, like a and then there are those that were like a little too kooky a little too fluffy in like
Tristan 58:07
little two will Yeah, and
Kyle 58:09
I think that you know, with Saturn kind of in the mix there and even like Mars that opposition with Jupiter which I don't think is like the end of the world I would actually say if anything like that. Martin kind of configured to all of it like Mars is very like yeah, Taro cool. Does it do something though? Like, does it does it accomplish a goal a task, you kind of get like that fun. Jupiter energy that could like, you know, make it interesting, spice it up, make it a little you know, whatever fun sounds like that like strong spiritual component. But you also get like a grounded kind of practical component with Mars and Saturn. Like it's very balanced. I think that's what I like about grand Trine is they tend to indicate balance.
Tristan 58:55
Yeah, it's it's a very self regulating aspect pattern.
Kyle 59:00
self regulating,
Tristan 59:01
I mean, that's, that's one of the characteristics of of Jupiter is balance. Yeah. And stabilization, you know, with aspect patterns that involve squares and opposition's you know, things become unbalanced, or, you know, go to extremes really quickly. Whereas, with a grand Trine, anywhere that you know, something might reach an extreme it's kind of kept in check by the configuration to the other planets so that nothing really goes too far. Nothing really crosses the line. Yeah, it's very moderated.
Kyle 59:38
Jupiter can see everything to just about everything. Sure, like in a day chart, you know, the more Jupiter can see in day charts, the better
Tristan 59:49
definitely.
Kyle 59:52
Yeah, I mean, that's all I can really think about. Just going off the aspect pattern in itself. It's anything you have to add interest So
Tristan 1:00:01
now I think I think we're good.
Kyle 1:00:04
All right. Well, I think that we will call it a day here. So anyone interested in a in like a full consultation, you can go to my website at Kyle Pierce astrology.com and book an appointment. Having recently opened for consultations, my introductory rates are pretty low right now. So you know, that's not gonna last forever. Also in a bit of a gap period with my other podcast. Hello cosmos.
Tristan 1:00:31
I would listen to Oh my god. That sounds exactly
Kyle 1:00:37
Yeah. Sounds good right now. Killer cosmos. I am waiting to receive a birth chart or a birth certificate for child serial killer MaryBelle. And I'm dying to find out you know what her birth time is? I really got to know what child zero killer looks like. That's just me and my megalithic 10th House ruler. But outside of that, what do you have going on? Interesting.
Tristan 1:01:16
I am also opening up for consultations. You can find out more about that on my website, which is bad sign astrology.ca And I have an Instagram at bad sign astrology. So you know please feel free to check me out there.
Kyle 1:01:38
Awesome. Well, we will sign off for today. Best of luck to you Katie enduring the Saturn Mars. Uranus T square will pass you so I'm telling myself that every day. Seriously, it will. And thanks for sharing your chart with us. Sammy,
Tristan 1:02:00
thank you both very much for your your questions. All right. Well, we
Kyle 1:02:04
will see you all next time. If you have a question you would like to have answered on the astrology hotline. You can submit a question by email to astrology hotline pod@gmail.com
