Halloween Special 2022 - Damien Thorn and The Vampire Lestat
Kyle Pierce 0:05
Hello and welcome to astrology hotline podcast where we answer a whole year chart astrology questions. And joining me today for this special Halloween episode is Tristan Paylor.
Tristan Paylor 0:19
Hello. Hello, everyone. Happy spooky season.
Kyle Pierce 0:26
I'm very excited to have you on today. Because it's been been a few months.
Tristan Paylor 0:30
Yeah, it's been a while I'm excited to be here. I don't even know and
Kyle Pierce 0:35
how many months it's been since anything. I feel like time it just keeps going by so fast and I don't like it.
Tristan Paylor 0:45
Yeah, it could slow down a bit.
Kyle Pierce 0:48
Scorpio season is a good time to contemplate the persistent decay of your existence moment by moment.
Tristan Paylor 1:00
I think that's a beautiful way of it's a great time to think about that. And I love persistent decay.
Kyle Pierce 1:07
Well, speaking of which, yeah, we got we got ourselves. Halloween coming up. It's, what? Three days? Three days to Halloween.
Tristan Paylor 1:14
Yeah, the day after? It's on Monday. Right. And we're recording on Friday. I remember what the days of the week are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Monday, three days. So
Kyle Pierce 1:26
now the pressure is on me to actually get this out before Halloween. So I think it'll happen. I'm three Slayer believe in me.
Tristan Paylor 1:33
I believe in you. The power of the sun in Scorpio. Yeah. Because we have some Scorpio heavy charts to look at today. We do. So I think the sun in Scorpio is gonna support you and getting this episode out because it is big PR for the sign of Scorpio.
Kyle Pierce 1:53
Yeah, honestly, I think I don't know. You said Aquarius is your favorite sun sign. Remember once
Tristan Paylor 2:00
favorite sun sign? Yeah, I would say so.
Kyle Pierce 2:02
I think Scorpios are my favorite sun sign and probably my favorite Mercury sign as well.
Tristan Paylor 2:07
That's a good Mercury sign. Yeah, Mercury in Scorpio is so cool. I just like I can hear like Anwar detective film music in my head. Whenever I see Mercury in Scorpio.
Kyle Pierce 2:19
Like everybody I know so many Mercury in Scorpio is to it's honestly probably of all the planets to have in Scorpio Mercury I think is my favorite. It's just it is it's like deeply penetrative intellect. You know it. The the look, they always have on their faces too. It's just like they always look like they're like, staring you down. They're always doing the Larry David stare down.
Tristan Paylor 2:46
I do have a Mercury in Scorpio chart prepared. So we've got your favorite. Your favorite Mercury placement? Have we let listeners know what we're doing? Yeah, no, we haven't. But I guess they might be confused. Yeah, sorry. Sorry, to anyone who's confused. We should probably tell you instead. I mean, I think that we're being in season by being really enigmatic. Oh, yeah. There's like talking about charts we haven't shown like what charts are there? Why are we talking about them? What is the purpose of this? Exactly. And building the mystery. If
Kyle Pierce 3:21
you listen to our last Halloween special, we're going to be doing a similar thing we did last time because that one went so well. Honestly, that was still one of my favorite episodes. We're going to be taking a look at the birth charts of some fictional classically spooky characters. It's the both figures I would say from from horror, specifically from the horror genre. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I guess we can get this kicked off with our first
Tristan Paylor 4:01
Spooky Intro...
Kyle Pierce 4:07
The air was filled with mirthful tittering in the stairwell chimes of carousel music as children reveled in the antics of clowns in the wilds of magicians, while their parents mingled and gossip and nurtured the bonds which united them and prosperity. They had gathered on this day to celebrate the birth of a very special boy. Damian on June 6 In the year of our Lord 1971, the adopted son of Robert Thorne, American Ambassador to Great Britain, and his wife, Catherine Thorne. Damien sat atop a ceramic stallion is jet black hair gently fluttering in the breeze, as he gleefully rode in a continuous royal circuit on the carousel. That was the centerpiece of his fifth birthday party, his mother's adoring gaze and ever more than one turn of the wheel away. A voice pierced the joyous cacophony drawing the attention of the attendees Have we turned and waved to the smiling young woman calling to him from just outside the third floor window of the thorns mansion. Hey, look at me. Remember here. Damien smiled back at her, amused to see Holly, his nanny calling to him from such a silly location. His mother was less than amused, however, in instinctively pluck the boy from his ongoing procession. View Catherine's apprehension grew as her vision adjusted to the distance, drawing into focus the figure of the young woman now standing precariously on the edge of the gabled roof. Look at me Damien. In any declared reverently, it's all for you. And like a young girl jumping into a swimming pool. Looking forward to impressing her parents. She wept from the group's edge. In an instant, a fixed silence filled the void once occupied by sounds of music and merriment, only to be broken by the whip like snap of the rope, and the sharp crack of the neck, which was tied to the once vibrant figure of the nanny slackened as she jerked to a stop in midair, and her limp body swung toward the house, shattering the second story window below gasps in cries of horror erupted from beyond the purses Catherine shielded her son's eyes from grotesque seen before them. As the party guests got EPA nanny suspended corpse in the stunned silence which followed young Damian gaze toward the tree line that marked the edge of the door and estate nestled securely in his mother's embrace. A large black dog they're back at him. Boolean beast luck lingering eyes upon each other, as if he engaged in a conversation known only to them. Finally, the black haired boy with eyes the color of face, corners of his mouth subtly bending into a sneering grimace which belied the innocence of his age when sharply at the mysterious creature and the Hound disappeared into the woods to places and purposes unknown.
Yeah, so I chose for this Halloween special the birth chart of Damien Thorne. Who is if you're not familiar with the The Omen movies, I feel like even if you haven't seen the the movie, The Omen movies are the first omen. You probably haven't seen the second or third I only recently watched them because because I was doing this. And they weren't that good to be honest with you, but I love the first one. And yeah, I feel like even if you haven't seen the Omen you know who Damien is. Are you least know the association with the name Damien and the Antichrist? Or sounds like the son of the devil. Which is kind of a shame. I feel like it ruined the name Damien. A little bit. All right. The name Damian kind of bad. Yeah,
Tristan Paylor 8:03
give me a cooler.
Kyle Pierce 8:04
Yeah, Damien's a pretty awesome name. Yeah, it's a good one. Yeah. Well, Damien Thorne wasn't that hard of a choice, but it was convenient that Damien Thorne has a birth time. Yeah, all sort of built in. Because he is the son of the devil. You know, we have to have some sixes in there. Apparently. So it's in the canon that he was born on June 6, six month to six, Jesus the sixth day of the sixth month. On the sixth, our six o'clock in the morning. However, depending on which movie you're watching, you do get a different year. And I went with the original, which actually is probably the best chart overall. The the other two weren't bad, but you get different yours for the other two movies, I guess. But you gotta go with the original, the original movie, in my opinion, cuz it's the inception, I guess of the idea of Damien Thorne. But um, yeah, if you want to follow along, we'll post a copy of the chart in the show notes. But if you want to put it in your own app, cast a chart for June 6 1971. Six o'clock in the morning in Rome, Italy. And we get the you get a chart with Gemini rising at about 19 degrees, the sun in Gemini at 14 degrees, and Mercury ruling the ascendant in the 12th house and Taurus at 27 degrees conjunct Saturn at 28 degrees. Pretty tight. I
Tristan Paylor 9:47
love that and
Kyle Pierce 9:49
it's appropriate. They're hanging out with Venus also at 22 degrees of Taurus on the 12th and then you get the moon in score. Do at 11 degrees hanging out with Jupiter at 29 degrees of Scorpio. And then you got Mars in the ninth house, conjunct the North Node, about 15 degrees of Aquarius. And the rest of the placements are referred to as they become irrelevant. But you got a lot of 12th House sixth house action. Which doesn't necessarily seem like at first, you'd be maybe looking for something like more prominent, more powerful for somebody who's the son of the devil, right? Or who ends up? I think in the third movie, he's like the CEO of some big corporation. Did he inherited from his adopted father, I think who was the president of the United States? No big deal. And yeah, no big deal. Right. But in a lot of ways, this sort of makes sense. I mean, I guess you do get the sun on the ascendant, which is kind of prominent, you know,
Tristan Paylor 11:08
men in glory. Yeah, yeah.
Kyle Pierce 11:12
I know where to start. There's so much. I guess you can start with just the ascendant, being Gemini, you know, Gemini reek of Antichrist to you?
Tristan Paylor 11:24
Oh, it's it's such a great sign for the Antichrist, because Gemini is the it's all about balancing polarities. If, you know, and in a dualistic system and a dualistic sort of cosmology or mythology, you have, you know, the figure of supreme goodness, who is Christ, and he needs a counterpart, right. So Gemini is all about like, the light twin and the dark twin. So Jesus is the light twin, and Damien is the dark twin.
Kyle Pierce 11:56
I hadn't thought about it like that. But I think that's a really good take on it. I was thinking about it in terms of as a character, I mean, he's, you know, capable of charming people. He's, he's clever, you know, he's actually has like a weird memory, which maybe might be more related to the moon, but he remembers, like everything. But he's also like, able to play both sides of the game a little bit like he's barely infiltrates power structures in order to, you know, undermine them.
Tristan Paylor 12:36
It feels like a very satanic quality as well, just coming from the Bible, the the tale of the Temptation of Christ has always been one of my absolute favorite Bible stories. And one of the things that one of the many things about the story I find compelling is that Jesus and the devil essentially have an argument over scripture and the devil quote, Scripture. So it's that, like, Satan is able to use either side, to his advantage, he's able to kind of play for both teams. In a way he's like, I'm arguing from Scripture. So it looks like I'm arguing on behalf of God, and that I, I am doing something holy and right. And he's able to kind of play that card.
Kyle Pierce 13:28
And that's, I mean, it's the type of argument that drives me nuts, because I hate it. Because it's bullshit. Oh, yeah. But it's also like how you win, is by turning other people's arguments, like, on their head, or just sort of taking someone else's logic and applying it. Like you're like really? Turning people's systems of logic against them. Yes. And Gemini is, is quite good at that. And Gemini also is, you know, not this is not a slight against Gemini people. There's, there's great qualities to Gemini, but Gemini is not an inherently moral sign at all, like it's just not, it just does not think about things in terms of of morality. It's just, it's a much more. It's just curious, like, there's nothing like wrong or right in Gemini. Yeah. In fact, it has to be both, if anything, because it's inherently looking at things from both sides. So like, it'll take maybe, oh, this is the idea of what's good. Okay, well, here's good and what's bad, we get the whole both of these things, like they have to sort of exist in in that dualistic relationship, like you said, which the sun occupying that space, and it's like, you can just kind of project whichever version of yourself that people want to see. And it seems like a good quality for the Antichrist to have because they do need to become worshipped in the sense I think in the end, you might know this a little more than me, but maybe in Revelations or I don't know, if you'd like we've pieced together the story of the Antichrist or the idea of the Antichrist from a bunch of different sources in the Bible. I don't know if there's any one specific like, book within the Bible. What's like the go to Revelations?
Tristan Paylor 15:21
Honestly, it's not a subject that I ever really thought about a lot.
Kyle Pierce 15:26
So, really, it's the most fun part of the Bible.
Tristan Paylor 15:30
I honestly don't remember. And now I wish that I had done some research on the biblical Antichrist before this episode, because that would have been fun. But at the table that we can do an entire episode just on the astrology of the Antichrist will try and predict they're coming.
Kyle Pierce 15:52
Yeah. Well, there's a lot of references to like the planets and stuff in Revelations, which I found interesting. But the movie and the fictional character, Damian doesn't. It's based loosely on, like, revelations and stuff, but like they created like a fictitious poem. That was like, supposed to be a quote from Revelations, but it wasn't interesting. Yeah, anyway, I guess, the next planet that I want to talk about because it is closely related to the sun, which is very prominent, but it's also the only other, you know, of the visible traditional planets. It's the only other one of those that is actually in a house that can be seen by the ascendant, which there's a lot going on, behind the scenes, I guess, in the chart. But the only other planet is Mars, in Aquarius up in the ninth house, which is the sun's actually applying to a really tight trine with it. Which is kind of awesome. Just Mars and Aquarius, and the ninth house by itself, with the North Node is it's like just like the most blasphemous, heretical combination, you can really have to probably pull that right out of like most traditional texts, especially like Vedic texts, it would just be like, you know, north node in the ninth, which we both have that right. It mean it's skeptical of religion, say and just wants to do its own thing maybe with with religion, but he admires there and it's just like, very heretical, very blasphemous. That's,
Tristan Paylor 17:33
that's the interpretation I'm most familiar with for Mullah fix in the ninth house is that the person will be a blasphemer.
Kyle Pierce 17:42
Yeah, I guess I mean, the North instinct pleomorphic, right. Yeah, but I'm, I am not I'm, what's the opposite of blasphemous? Pious, I guess, pious? Well, yeah, I've never been a terribly pious individual. But um, it's actually fun. Quote, I think I have here this words relevant. I suppose I have a pull this out of videos balanced. Read it real quick. So in conjunction, which is referring to the ninth house, if mullinix In general, or in conjunction with the ninth house, and rule the previously mentioned places that would be the ascendant in Fortune, which they don't rule the ascendant, but they rule a lot of fortune for Dini and Thorn hanging out with the moon and Scorpio there, or they are an aspect from the right with a lot of fortune, which Mars is squared, a lot of fortune, which I think that it's supposed to be on the right side, but you get some of that, you get a little bit of both. The native will be a tyrant, he will found some cities, he will sack others, he will pillage many people most wickedly. If a lot of diamond or fortune happens to be in the eighth place of the bad diamond. But the house rulers of the lot handed the ascendant are in this place of the god. The native will be involved in very many evils, and travel and will lose whatever he has gained, or he will take refuge in temples because of his desires pains. And I know one of those last parts were true, but anyway, fun
Tristan Paylor 19:33
and love it.
Kyle Pierce 19:34
You have Damian meeting the criteria for several of those. He didn't I don't think he built any cities so but he was definitely a destroyer. And actually I have another general from a pod called Deepika as a Vedic astrologer who said that Mars in the ninth house makes the native, beloved by the king are valued by the king. But murderous and spiteful?
Tristan Paylor 20:02
Well, the you said that you said that at some point like he's the son of the President. So that could be the king. And also that he was like a corporate CEO. And one of the movies which like, maybe this is a bit of a stretch. But I feel like there's a bit of similarity between the concept of a city and the concept of a corporation, where it's this an organization, an organizational structure that binds a group of people into a unity of some kind, and is headed by, you know, somebody who has executive authority. So, being a builder and destroyer of cities, maybe some of his activity in the corporate world could be relevant to that kind of symbolism.
Kyle Pierce 20:56
Yeah, I mean, of course, that may actually makes a lot of sense and thinking about it. The ninth house is like a place of that kind of thing. Like yeah, he's it makes sense to me that you would like kind of look to the ninth house for something like a city something like what you just described the a unifying sort of umbrella of a thing, like a corporation, or city, or just the idea of a thing that unites people that brings people together
Tristan Paylor 21:23
and temples to write in the night Paris, which is another thing that's, you know, organized, centralized group of people that are united by some common bond into some, you know, they all become one when they are participating in this organization. And there's somebody at the top with executive power.
Kyle Pierce 21:44
Yeah, absolutely. Which I mean, that's what he's doing any mean, he's operating within those structures, but also sort of tearing tearing them down. idea
Tristan Paylor 21:58
as being I mean, a little Aquarius to have being sort of like, Aquarius lives in that sort of boundary between the status quo and on the outside. Like, it's sort of the placement of the outsider, but it's also very much in relationship to the status quo. It's, it's, I feel like it's sort of an open question whether or not an Aquarius placement is going to be building a society or tearing it down, or tearing it down and building something new. But it's that whole process of tearing and building down of social structures that Aquarius is concerned with and who's on the inside and who's on the outside and all that kind of stuff.
Kyle Pierce 22:39
Well, yeah. When it's like a Mars is in the superior position of the Trine. So Ma, the sun is sort of doing the the Gemini thing of like, kind of playing both sides and creating like a charming facade will say, and engaging in morally dubious activities. You know, Gemini can do but sort of at the will of Mars, it to some degree where Mars is sort of setting the parameters of the relationship and Martin's agenda is to well destroy the the world I guess, but also to unite humanity, I guess, against God. So it's like anti God. Just like Mars in the ninth house in the house of God, like especially Mars and Aquarius. It's
Tristan Paylor 23:29
so so perfect. It's just to perfect. This, this chart is like it is a goldmine. So, I love that the triune is from the ninth house to the first so it because it's it's a funny thing about I mean, I I hesitate sometimes to call it mythology, but it's like, my own religious traditions. I refer to their stories as mythology even though I believe they are sacred. So I'm just gonna go ahead and say Christian mythology, I'm sorry if anyone's offended by that. I think I just say that by default, but like in in Christian mythology, the interesting thing is that like, if if you are a Satanist, you are working within that mythology and cosmology of Christianity. Because these, these figures are religious figures. They're figures of religious significance within that worldview and set of stories. So even though he's like, as hell bent on destroying what Christianity stands for. He is still like part of that worldview. He's part of that mythos. And it's benefiting him. Like it sort of His purpose is wrapped up in that whole mythos. So like, the stuff that's in the ninth house is actually kind of weirdly, it's a weird relationship where it's like supporting his mission, because if people just didn't care then there would be no mission. If people if if religion didn't matter, you know, he would have nothing, nothing ninth house like he's still participating in the ninth house, I guess is what I'm saying. And that is still sort of his purpose. And ultimately, if he gets what he wants, which is to unite people to oppose God, maybe he's starting a new religious movement within that same mythology, in which case, he would then become like the leader of the ninth house stuff. That's sort of like he's, he's trying to take over the ninth house. So he kind of he needs the ninth house to to do what he's doing.
Kyle Pierce 25:37
Well, yeah, I mean, he's a exists within the Christian mythical structure. He, he knows, comes relevant with other parts of the chart, but he like, in the second movie, like figures out, like, he has a moment where he's like, holy shit, I'm the son of the devil. Like, why me like he does. He's like, not super pleased about it. He's kind of like pressure. Like, it's a lot of pressure. And like, you know, he's evil, like, in granted. He's had some evil tendencies and stuff, and he doesn't have too hard of a time accepting it. And he sort of takes that role, eventually, but he does have a period where he's not necessarily loving the fate. Yeah. But you know, by the third movie, I think a big part of it is him basically murdering everybody born on this specific day, all the children born on this specific day, because that's the day that the, the second what Christ is supposed to be born or the whatever the
Tristan Paylor 26:31
house, so they're sort of, they're echoing the biblical tales of like, the flight out of Egypt, you know, the night of Passover, and also the King Herod in the gospels, who hears that a Messiah will be born and slaughters all the firstborn children. So that's a motif that repeats in both the Hebrew Bible and then again in the New Testament of this, like, King who thinks someone's gonna use supreme or whatever.
Kyle Pierce 27:04
Makes sense. I mean, I mean, the the son, I guess it's, it's the king, right?
Tristan Paylor 27:08
Yeah, he wants to be the case that it's rising. Well, the the sun rising to the first thing that came to mind for me when I looked at this chart and saw that he was born at Sunrise was the literal meaning of the name Lucifer, which is like light light bringer. And, you know, the Lucifer is referred to as the morning star. It's sort of like the light that's rising up over the horizon.
Kyle Pierce 27:36
Yeah. Well, and that, well finish with Mars real quick, but that becomes irrelevant, because with Venus, I think, but Mars also, if you're using the Cal Dean, bound system, Mars would be in its own bound. You know, I've been trying to figure out what the hell to do with and which system of bounds to use an experiment with the Chaldean one a little bit, but it sort of indicates that, like Mars is, has a place within some sort of structure, or at least the town like I tend to conceive what dignity is, it's like it has a place within like a pre established framework,
Tristan Paylor 28:16
really good, concise way of explaining dignity, I'm gonna steal that from you. That's great.
Kyle Pierce 28:22
Well, even like the balance, too, and the way they describe them, like a lot of ancient texts, like it's not necessarily a great thing. Like for a monolithic to be in its own boundary. It's like, oh, has like the power to like, fuck shit up. The Hell yeah. So it's kind of like existing has, like a power within has a role maybe within a structure. And we'll say within Christianity, it's just the, the antithetical roles. It's the role of tearing it all down. But I guess, is maybe a big theme in the movies, which they're not super deep, but he kind of figures out like, oh, the Second Coming is coming. And I'm actually kind of boned here. But I need to fight my my fate, right? Like he's sort of destined to lose to be defeated by God. Right. But he sort of fighting that, which you get. It's where it starts to make sense maybe in like, where everything is Kayden. Basically, it makes sense on multiple levels, but one is like where he is sort of fighting a losing battle, I guess, with fate in a sense, but also, he is working against the system as a whole, like the 12th house. So he's mercury, ruling his ascendant from the 12th house, which will on the 12th like actually see it a lot with them. Kings. As I've been studying a lot of like kings and royal charts and stuff, it's like you get a lot of ruler on the 12th, which sort of indicates like, oh, somebody who doesn't maybe have like there's sort of a removal of agency over the direction of things to some degree. Yeah, and like when we got to dude who's born into, he has to be the, he's the son of the devil and, you know, wasn't really up to him sort of swept up in that fate.
Tristan Paylor 30:11
I think that's a really good analysis, I, I was really excited when I saw that his ascendant ruler was in the 12th. And also that it was so closely conjunct Saturn and like a really nice applying conjunction within one degree. Yeah. Both for the reasons that you've mentioned that, like the 12, the 12, house and Saturn both relate to issues of binding and restriction, and also a fate and like fate is a force that restricts and binds us and that we don't have agency over. And we run into situations in the 12th house where we don't have agency and we feel like we're the victims of fate, or we're in some way bound. And we can't sort of freely Act, which is very another sort of association with a prison that comes from and there is like, if you were born into a position like a king, or an antichrist or any position like that, like if you know, if you really wanted to take up the saxophone, and that was your passion. And that's what you really wanted to pursue. Well, that's too bad because your destiny has been laid out for you. And you have a political role to play. And that is what's going to define your life, whether you like it or not like you don't really get a choice about defining your own life. Yeah, so I can I can I feel like, yeah, a good ruler has to put everybody else ahead of themselves. So there's like to be a good ruler, you kind of need to be a little 12 heresy, because you need to be able to put yourself last so not that the Antichrist is a good ruler by this now. He's pretty bad dude in these movies. But I also think it's interesting that if you were to consider all the planets as actors in a play, and you are going to cast anyone as a villain, it's going to be one of them will FX and orphans like Saturn, like so many bad guys. And like when I think of Disney bad guys, I'm just like, you have Saturn written all over you like, it's it's not that Saturn is a bad planet. But he's constantly cast into the role of villain and you do sometimes see that symbolism playing out in charts where like, if there are strong Saturn signatures, it's like you sometimes have to play the role of the villain, or that that archetype has some sort of importance in your life. And he is he is the he's the antihero like villain. He is the ultimate baddie.
Kyle Pierce 32:49
Absolutely. That is perfect, actually. And well, Saturn also rules the ninth house to
Tristan Paylor 32:55
oh, that's tied. It's got to them alethic in it, and it's ruled.
Kyle Pierce 33:00
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So good. Um, and then Saturn also rules the eighth house too. So like, bringing in some, some death, right, maybe or some connection to unseen forces, perhaps. Right. And he has a way of people just sort of die around Damien Thorne quite a bit. It's basically it is people are just constantly dying around him. And for him, he doesn't he doesn't actually kill very many people personally like this. A lot of the people that get killed are killed by animals,
Tristan Paylor 33:42
while also rules large animals. And is it like, aren't there a lot of, I feel like I've definitely read this in traditional texts where the there will be some sort of, you know, challenging 12th house placement and the native will be devoured by dogs. It's sort of like you're gonna die a bad death kind of thing. Like, you don't get a proper funeral. You're gonna get eaten by a wild dog, or you're just as a living person gonna get torn apart by Well, dogs. I might be making this up. But I feel like this is an association that I have seen before between the 12th and being devoured by wild animals in one way or another.
Kyle Pierce 34:21
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think. Was it if the ruler of the 12th is in the first and it's a malefic? devoured by dogs
Tristan Paylor 34:31
hang out. Except in his case, it's everyone around him getting? Yeah, word.
Kyle Pierce 34:37
Oh, yeah. And in fact, he has dogs. It's like one of the first scenes of the movie. Dogs just will attack people for him. Crows will attack people for him on his behalf. He also has like some telekinetic abilities, even which I was asking. Joji actually is like, you know, inium references to telekinesis by ancient stone. Soldiers confined any, but I'm cool with house could be you know just like things sort of having unconscious kind of powers maybe
Tristan Paylor 35:09
well I'm also send it to just yeah not not everybody with Gemini rising is going to have telekinesis or whatever but it's, I feel like
Kyle Pierce 35:24
Gemini would love to have Yes, that'd be a super
Tristan Paylor 35:27
fun, very mercurial type of supernatural power. It's very appropriate to the symbolism.
Kyle Pierce 35:35
But also the 12 house is the house of enemies, right are the hidden enemies. And in a sense, he is a hidden hidden enemy. He's actually
Tristan Paylor 35:45
his first house that's like, he is that hidden enemy for everybody.
Kyle Pierce 35:51
Yeah, but if you're the hidden enemy, then you're basically surrounded by enemies. Oh, yeah. No. But like his mother was actually a jackal. Okay, I don't understand how that worked. But he was born to a jackal. And basically the politician that adopted him his baby was murdered, basically, and then kind of replaced with with Damien well know that he knew that his baby died. He didn't know that it was murdered. But then, basically, he adopted Damien. But then, you know, in the first movie, his parents die. And he gets stabbed by the President. Of course. Yeah, so just everybody around him constantly dying. But um that last like decade of tourists to also has to do with like the, like misfortune sort of, or sort of turns of fate will undo things, famine and pestilence and stuff, who are just having like a bad crop. Usually people with planets there will be protecting themselves against misfortune a lot are often very good at that. But the idea of like, the bringer of destruction to earth and mankind in general, or even just like the idea of like, pestilence, or like, being the thing that is the, the force for misfortune, right? I don't know there's something about that. That packed third deck of tourists that just makes a lot of sense to me in ways that I'm like, struggling to articulate.
Tristan Paylor 37:30
Let's that that last second of Taurus is ruled by Saturn in the Chaldean bee. Yeah, Deccan system, right. So there's, it's funny, because both systems Oh, that's right. So in any in any system, that the last 10 degrees of Taurus, is ruled by Saturn. So it's the least kind of soft, fluffy floral part of Taurus. So part is a Taurus where shit gets a real? Well, yeah,
Kyle Pierce 38:01
the part of tours were called the long standing fixed, you know, permanent earth that you've established, gets shipped thrown at it gets tested, gets gets tested. Yeah. And in a way, he's, he is the test in some way, or, I don't know, he is, like a big book, gold plague, in a sense, but he's like a theological plague like he's there to, to basically take over. I think the idea was that people were supposed to think that the antichrist was like a Messiah. And that's how, you know, they get duped, they get tricked by them, right by the false messiah, the Antichrist, and then they follow him into hell.
Tristan Paylor 38:47
Well, and Mercury has to do with trickery, and Saturn has to do with deception. That's funny, I was just I was reading the first I guess you call it chapter in the Corpus Hermeticum today, and there's this whole section about the ascension through the planetary spheres and the kinds of things that you release or deactivate in each sphere. And, but the translation that I have, let me just open it up. So I make sure that I get it right, because I think that the way it's translated than the translation I have is that in the sphere of mercury, trickery becomes inactive. And then in the sphere of Saturn, it is falsehood. The falsehood which waits an ambush is the thing that you sort of purify yourself of the association between Mercury and trickery and Saturn and falsehood,
Kyle Pierce 39:49
nice. And then Venus also too. It's a while and in this case, it's a morning star. But what is um, there's a lot of associations with Satan and Venus model distracted because I FTP was loose for means Morningstar, right? Or is it Lightbringer? You were just saying that, but I think
Tristan Paylor 40:09
it's Lightbringer. But he's associated with the Morningstar. Let me Yeah, I mean, look this up. No, I don't want the TV series. Give me the edit. Give me the etymology of his name. The Greek, Greek cept. Again, reads it as Morningstar or shining one. Hmm. Listen here is one of various figures of folklore associated with planet Venus. And then the name was absorbed into Christianity as the name for the devil. Yeah, and the Latin Vulgate I think they use its Lucifer as a Latin word, which means the Morning Star, the planet Venus or as an adjective light bringing says both both meanings of light printer and Morningstar
Kyle Pierce 41:03
Venus with mercury. I mean, I guess it means to be the dispositor the final dispositor for the ruler of the first. But it's also like providing mercury and Saturn with substantial resources maybe to take over the world or to rain down destruction on the earth. It you know, he was adopted by the President inherited a mega corporation, as a sort of modern rich parents,
Tristan Paylor 41:37
modern King and looking at, I am just looking at the Antichrist article on Wikipedia, because I can and there's a piece of art which you know, depicts the Antichrist as a king. So apparently it is in the epistles of John, that is where the term is in the Bible. It doesn't appear in the Book of Revelations. Okay. Letters of John comes from, which is probably why I wasn't super familiar with it. I mean, it's just not a thing I really thought about I taught Sunday school so I was not doing lessons of it. The Antichrist is cool. And I don't I don't know how often those passages came up in the lectionary, which is what I taught from so it's like, I'm really familiar with stuff that's in the Anglican lectionary didn't hear a lot of sermons about the Antichrist as a progressive Anglican, so it's just didn't really come up.
Kyle Pierce 42:32
And you feel like that's the part of not the part but one of the parts of maybe Christianity you get to the people that are really really into like the Antichrist. Yeah, and stuff. That's where you start to get into some problematic territory comes with a lot good rule of thumb it's a little more about the fire and brimstone I guess angle on on Christianity. But um, yeah, we could talk about this chart forever. I wanted to, there's a few things that I definitely wanted to get to before we move on to your chart, but I had one more little valance quote, which is rather fun. Just about Saturn, Venus and Mercury together, which they are for for Damien Thorne. So Saturn, Venus and Mercury make intelligent, clever individuals shrewd in designing in their business enterprises. These men, however, are unsteady, frozen in their first enterprises, they become covetous of others goods, accomplices in many crimes, seekers of curious lore, flexible, healing, enjoying newness, change and travel. If under these conditions, the configuration is afflicted, or if Mars is an aspect from you know, these men fall into disturbances and trials, because of poisonings of females, or because of legacies, or they suffer a loss of livelihood or an end afflicting accusation after being wronged by women. In general, they will be insecure, and pained with respect to women, children and slaves. So a lot of leverage just layers to this one and how it fits. He was constantly trying to people were trying to kill him all the time. In the first movie, his parents father specifically tried to kill him on successfully. I don't think he was ever poisoned, specifically, but I like that one of the disturbances or trials has to do with legacies, which has to do with like him being wrapped up in this battle between good and evil, basically. But he didn't necessarily suffer a loss of livelihood per se but he was he did end up getting killed at the end of the third movie, by well first reporter who he had a saw altered, set her son on him and he was trying to coop the sun basically make him a follower and she basically turned the sun against him and tried to the Sun tried to kill them failed he kills the sun but then the woman ends up murdering him stabbing him with these fancy daggers these really old specific daggers the only daggers that can kill him so he ends up being undone by a woman and a child. And yeah, women and children are they literally taken down?
Tristan Paylor 45:40
Yeah that's where they go balance fun.
Kyle Pierce 45:45
Yeah way to go balance and then we just want to say that they are all opposing Jupiter in Scorpio Saturn pretty tightly which acts a bit on that but I was thinking mainly for Jupiter in Scorpio was making me think of how well he definitely has friends in low places you could say or like his like sort of supporters definitely come from not necessarily just like the criminal underworld, but like the the theological underworld, like the demons, literal demons, and the moon to actually so he in the second movie is definitely struggling with some abandonment issues. Or just some some deep feelings of being unloved and source of a lot of rage, right that seems to go beyond just being the son of the devil. I remember actually one of the pop astrology things I first read about the Moon in Scorpio was this ability to psychic powers but also like to just sort of make things happen by thinking about them or feeling them which is a quality that's often assigned to Scorpio planets in Scorpio. And it means something to that, right. It's also just like a an intense moon. Right? It's it's a almost full moon you know thinking maybe Damien Thorne is bringing a lot of emotional intensity to to the table.
Tristan Paylor 47:26
Mother his mother being a literal Jackal is also pretty cool for the moon. And
Kyle Pierce 47:31
it's in the sixth house too.
Tristan Paylor 47:33
i Oh, yeah. Like I yeah, like literally being the child of an animal and animals are in the sixth house. And the moon is just what's going on with animals. That's pretty cool. And like I don't know I I don't know if this is part of the symbolism of Omen because I haven't seen it but when I think of jackals I think of a NuBus Who is a God associated with death? So I don't know if they're intentionally sort of linking the chapter with death. Because the Moon in Scorpio and having like, yeah, it's sort of death animal as your mother is. That's that's pretty badass.
Kyle Pierce 48:15
When he basically ends up killing his own mother, well, he the mother died in childbirth, but the mother was actually a jackal. But the and he has jackal DNA, apparently interesting revealed in the second one, which is kind of weird. But in the first movie, his adopted mother at least, I don't think he killed her in that scene, but it's the tricycle scene where he's like riding around this tricycle, like looking really creepy. And basically rides his tricycle up behind his mom kind of knocks her over the ledge of the this, like upper railing of their big mansion. And she like falls over the rail, and it's like sort of grasping onto it. And then he's just kind of like looking at her like home. And she's like, do you mean, and I think she's pregnant. She doesn't die in that part. But she's pregnant with like, a rival potential. So he just kind of sits there and watch us her fall and she falls and the baby dies. And I think he she was at a dog that ends up killing her. But like one of his dogs that he's like, telekinetically linked to? I don't know. It's pretty. Pretty Moon in Scorpio stuff. It sounds like
Tristan Paylor 49:35
sort of straight regular, normal regular stuff. Yeah.
Kyle Pierce 49:40
Other issues with the Moon in Scorpio. Yeah,
Tristan Paylor 49:47
I guess Halloween, folks. It's gonna get hard. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I always feel like I need a disclaimer for these episodes where we're like looking at the charts of very Stream fictional characters if you have any of these placements in your chart, it probably doesn't mean you're the Antichrist. And your relationship with your mom is hopefully just fine
Kyle Pierce 50:12
I think I meant to say like clear
Tristan Paylor 50:15
maybe your mom just really like spooky ghost stories and told them to you a lot when you're growing up and that's why I have them in Scorpio but if you are the Antichrist, and you have the Moon in Scorpio, it's probably going to look
Kyle Pierce 50:27
yeah, you're probably gonna have just just look at the just watch the movie. Just watch the movie you know what I'm talking about that face he makes the first one is to creepy little kid. But yeah, if it makes anybody feel better if they feel called out by having some similar placements. This chart is I have a lot of placements in common with the Antichrist apparently. And yet I know I'm pretty sure I'm not the Antichrist. Actually Mark Wahlberg though, is a very close time to when Damien Thorne
Tristan Paylor 51:04
Oh, he's a candidate and
Kyle Pierce 51:06
just the day before
Tristan Paylor 51:07
lunch just so we so we move on to the next chart.
Kyle Pierce 51:13
Yes, can you Yeah, real quick before we start your chart, Tristan, just wanted to say real quick if you're enjoying this special Halloween episode of astrology hotline, if you're a fan of the podcast, please help us out. And, you know, share the podcast with a friend posted on your social media account, you know, just just let people know. Hey, the show is awesome. Because we are competing with I think I can't remember the statistic now is either 6 million or 16 million podcasts in the world and a lot of competition. So you know, is great as this podcast is we can always use a little bit of help help the podcast grow a little post. Yeah, would you like to grace us with the amazing work you did on the chart of your particular figure first.
Tristan Paylor 52:19
All right, here goes you get that spooky intro. Tormented by the loss of his wife and unborn child, the young man wanders the waterfront of New Orleans in a drunken haze. World can no longer offer him any pleasure, and he longs to be relieved of his better life. He is tracked by an unseen presence light drawn to his despair like a vulture to dead flesh. The presence emerges from the shadows ceases to be a man piercing have waited carnivorous teeth, drained of blood almost to the point of death, the young man has offered a choice to die or to walk the immortal path of the vampire
so I realized that my intro in a way was kind of introducing the wrong vampire. In a way it's more of an introduction to Louis than to the chart I'm actually going to look at who is list at De Leon call from the Anne Rice Vampire Chronicles.
Kyle Pierce 53:38
That is how we are introduced, though, the movie at
Tristan Paylor 53:41
least we are introduced to list at through the eyes of Louis. So I'm kind of telling Louise story in the intro where you know, the Vampire Chronicles start off with Interview with the Vampire. And you have this heartbroken man who is turned into a vampire by the charming, immortal lists stat and lists that is a very popular character. In the Vampire Chronicles I full disclosure, I read Interview with the Vampire when I was in high school, which was many eons ago now. And I have watched the movie twice and I have not read any of the other Vampire Chronicles books. So I've familiarized myself with the stats Wikipedia article and rewatched Interview with the Vampire. So I'm not like I'm not coming to this as like a super knowledgeable fan. So Andres fans listening to this, please feel free to send us notes. If you notice anything interesting. This chart. I really just wanted to do the chart of a vampire. I just I am a huge gothic horror fan, a huge Victorian horror fan. love vampires and We have a canonical birth date and location for Lestat. So I will, we don't have a birth time for him. So we're working with it at birth time. Although I have a couple of ideas. I haven't gone into a whole lengthy rectification process with his chart, which I think if if you really studied the books, there would probably be a number of significant events with dates or at the very least years that you could use to try and and arrive at a birth time. But if you want to look at his chart, we'll have it in the show notes or if you're just typing into astrology software right now. He was born on November 7, in the year 1760. And he was born in central France in the ovarian region. So I just put in I hope I'm pronouncing it right it's Leon right. LL y o n it's not pronounced Leone
Kyle Pierce 55:58
or Yeah.
Tristan Paylor 56:01
Yeah, I'm very sorry to anyone.
Kyle Pierce 56:04
France the best we can do.
Tristan Paylor 56:07
Yeah, we're we're not the best at so sorry. Anyway, I'm not so we've got we've got a birth chart with the sun in Scorpio at 15 degrees because of course and Anne Rice I believe had has mercury green venus in scorpio. And of course she gave her you know, one of our most popular and iconic vampire characters the sun in Scorpio because why would it
Kyle Pierce 56:36
wander so much? If like they I don't know I assume that like everybody who's making movies or making these characters like is just into astrology and like looks up the chart for the character but like I said, so probably aren't like most likely, but I would really like to know if they are
Tristan Paylor 56:57
I feel like there might have been some intention and making him this a Scorpio son. Is it really that's it's pretty good knowledge if you were born and probably a Scorpio. I wouldn't I would assume that if you know a little bit even about pop astrology, you know if you're going to pick any sign for vampirism, it's probably Scorpio. You know, he was he was born just after the Halloween season. Just perfect spooky. 15 years Scorpio 15 degrees of Scorpio. And then just to make it even better. He not only has the sun at 15 degrees of Scorpio, but he has the Moon in Scorpio very close to it. So since we don't have a birth time, we can't be sure of the exact degree of the moon. But he was born on the day of the Dark Moon Yes. Which is metal Oh
Kyle Pierce 57:47
yeah. It's like a like the fall like the darkest moon like already like topically, maybe most complicated moon but like going into the dark. It's like basically it's dying. In a sense, the moon itself symbolically is going into the dark even though it's going into the light. It's kind of weird is sort of like the death of the moon.
Tristan Paylor 58:13
Well, it's it's sort of like I mean, the way I think of the Dark Moon is the moon is being burned out, consumed by the sun. So they're metaphors of both light and darkness but in the in this case the light is harmful. It's not like healing heavenly light. It is a furnace that the moon is diving into and then must emerge from the other side. And while this is happening, the moon is invisible to us and goes dark
Kyle Pierce 58:44
on this is a person who literally died and was reborn as a vampire. It's perfect. It really is. Yeah.
Tristan Paylor 58:54
is so perfect. Says dark Dark Moon in Scorpio. So you was probably born just as the moon was diving into the sun or just as the moon was emerging from the sun middle and if you middle Deccan of Scorpio Yeah, if you were to go outside on the night of his birthday, you would not see the moon at all, not even a tiny sliver and then he also has Mercury in Scorpio so we've got a pile up of critters hanging out in Scorpio in his chart which seems certainly very fitting and then we've got Venus and Mars both in Sagittarius and South Node Jupiter in Aquarius yes in the south so those those are some some really cool things about his chart I want to get into are the Venus South Node conjunction is pretty cool. And also very appropriate. Oh yeah. And And he's got Jupiter in Aquarius and Saturn in Pisces,
Kyle Pierce 1:00:06
which is really great, too. So let me there's this chart. It's great. Which when you brought up with that, I Sorry, I'm cutting you off, aren't I? No, no. No. When you brought up with that I got really excited. Because I looked at the chart and I was like, Oh my God, and I only watched the movie, but then I found that on YouTube, there's a free audiobook of the Anne Rice book, Vampire Lestat, which I have not finished yet about maybe like halfway through, because it's not bad. And I guess that does make me technically a little more educated on the stat now than the interest in but I'm still by no means an expert. But the just makes all the more sense the more I learned about the character, but please go on.
Tristan Paylor 1:01:02
Well, that I mean, one one fun little detail that I picked up on right away. With the Moon in Scorpio, obviously the moon is associated with the mother. Scorpio is associated with death and rebirth and decay and darkness and all that kind of wonderful stuff. Yeah, all that spooky stuff. And Liz starts very first vampire companion, which is to say the very first person that he with his vampiric power turned into a vampire. He was his own mother. So this is the most interesting and fitting story for a Scorpio moon that he would literally turn his own mother into.
Kyle Pierce 1:01:49
Never relationship also gets rather tricky and complicated. It's a little bit weird. Certainly the the the bonds that that tie those those two together are. There's deep, complicated waters there.
Tristan Paylor 1:02:08
Yep. Yeah, my understanding is that there's some definite respect and attachment on the part of Lestat for his mother, but it is far from a perfect man. It's also a little relationship
Kyle Pierce 1:02:25
seems to be bordering. I haven't finished it yet. But a little a little sexy, too.
Tristan Paylor 1:02:32
You know, it really doesn't surprise me. Because I mean, that's another another thing that comes up I think even in just pop astrology with the sign of Scorpio is taboos and breaking taboo. Yes. Yeah. And I mean, and races writing certainly, in the Vampire Chronicles area did a lot of exploring social and moral taboos through stories of vampires, which is very Scorpy on ik
Kyle Pierce 1:03:01
one of them almost kind of makes sense in the I don't know. Like it. Like, in their minds, like well, we're not really, we're dead now. Like, we're not humans were like, We're this new version of ourselves. We're not necessarily like were these new people? Are these new creatures? We're not you know, whatever the old relationship was, that was kind of something else. But it obviously carries into it but like they're your you nailed it. I mean, yeah, it's all that they're totally. They're just transgressors of, of nature, I guess. Which I guess you could, in theory get to with maybe the Moon in Scorpio or Scorpio in general.
Tristan Paylor 1:03:49
Yeah, it's what was I gonna say? It's sort of like once you become a vampire, human standards of morality no longer apply to you because you are no longer human. And you now adhere to a different moral code and vampires certainly do have a moral code in and races universe with lists that famously does not always adhere to He's very much a rebel and a transgressor in general. Which was something that, you know, I was I was trying to dig into with his chair, and I think having a birth time would really help but one thing that does kind of stick out to me is that he has Mars in Sagittarius, overcoming Saturn in Pisces, and it's a fairly close aspect. It's separating. But you know, it's still in the overcoming position where Mars has power to maltreat Saturn. And I mean, I couldn't help thinking of, you know, the Saturn is one of Saturn's responsibilities is it's sort of it's the container For our relationship with rules and laws, whether they be sort of social laws that we feel limit us, or, you know, physical laws that limit us in some way. In this case, I think it's the social laws that are relevant. And Liz stat is nicknamed the brat Prince by other vampires because he is notoriously rebellious and marches to the beat of his own drummer. He seeks out a mentor but also drives his mentor crazy by constantly breaking the rules and and guidelines that Hizmet mentor gives him. Which, you know, I think there's a little bit of common ground between Jupiter and Saturn and that they represent sort of social codes and also like older people and teachers. And he does have Saturn and Jupiter Marion sign in Pisces, so I can't help thinking maybe that Saturn in Pisces kind of represents his mentors in a way like the people the older, more experienced vampires who are trying to guide him. And that Mars is sort of acting rebellious and reckless and destructive. So like one thing, you know, his his mentor, instructs him that you never reveal your nature to mortals. Like you don't, you don't just go around telling people that you're a vampire. And let's stop floats that and he also, you know, he starts a rock band. And he says things in his lyrics, like, share sort of vampire secrets of the vampire world in his lyrics in this very public facing roles. So he's transgressing these moral values. And sort of the bringing the secrets of vampire society out into the world of mortals.
Kyle Pierce 1:07:03
Yeah, that's like that takes me out. I was thinking about it. Whenever I think of Saturn and Pisces, I always think of just the term crestfallen. Which there's just something about like, there's something like Pisces is it has this like very romantic, idealistic quality. It's a very kind of ethereal and dreamy and like, you know, like the most beautiful, transcendent sorts of like concepts and experiences that we can think of. Like Piscean kind of experiences but Saturn like brings, like, the heavy weight of reality to it. There's like a tragic beauty, I think, to Saturn and Pisces. But there's also sort of like the almost like falling in love with a tragedy or like a, I don't know, wanting something you can't have, essentially something that is inherently unreachable or unobtainable.
Tristan Paylor 1:08:02
That's sorrow of longing. Yeah. Yes. Like longing is a good word for deeply longing that are in Pisces, which I think that's fit. He there's a lot of symbolism in his chart that is very much connected to desire to romantic desire. He is a very passionate person who takes many lovers and has very intense entangled relationships. And he, his story kind of starts like his the story of him becoming a vampire starts. Yes, he has a friend and lover named Nicholas. And he has a dream list that has a dream of becoming an actor. So he and Nicholas go to Paris, hoping that listagg can start his career there. And that is when Lestat is transformed into a vampire. And he ends up like he and Nicolas continue their relationship, I guess. And he decides to turn Nicholas into a vampire as well
Kyle Pierce 1:09:18
where I'm at in the story.
Tristan Paylor 1:09:21
Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. I'm smelling it.
Kyle Pierce 1:09:23
No, that's fine. That's where I'm at. And I probably should have put a spoiler alert. Very beginning but go ahead spoil spoil away.
Tristan Paylor 1:09:34
The trouble is, you know, like, he does the sight of love. You know, it seems it seems like such a romantic thing right? Which it totally is fit with that sense of longing like he's in love with Nicholas. And both of them being vampires means they can be immortal lovers like I can't think of, you know, a more romantic notion than it does not work out. I nicked the vampirism drives Nicolas insane he ends up rejecting the stat and just utterly losing his mind and ends up dying. So there's a whole tragic end to the story.
Kyle Pierce 1:10:09
Right? Like, I'm chomping at the bit because I that's like the story, but it's already already sort of indicated that like, this isn't gonna go well. Even like his mother's like, like, good What are you doing dude? Like don't make him a vampire. And it's why I'm thinking I'm sort of gravitating more and more maybe towards the Leo rising, because he does like to be in spotlight, blah, blah, blah. But that would make Saturn the ruler of the seventh. And in this context, at least, the Saturn in Pisces describes the figure of Nicholas like, pretty well, like he's a violinist. Yeah, that is fitting who like, adopted by, like, started playing the violin like a little too late. So he's like, he's not gonna be a world famous violinist, but he's like, really good. But he's a really unhappy dude, who's just like, you know, in all the conversations with stats, like you just go after what you want. Right? On, it's all you can do is just go after it. And he does. And he succeeds. And Nicholas is like, like, that's, you know, that's you, dude. I don't know how you do that. That's great. But I'm, I'm too dark man. Like, I'm just I don't think you want
Tristan Paylor 1:11:21
oh, you know, it is for me here. And that's that's also Louis. So when, you know, I gave the introduction, essentially, like Sam juice. It's Paul's love with the saddest people so so Interview with the Vampire so tells tells the story of Louie, who's you know, the the young grieving man I described in the intro, and Lestat pounces on him and turns them into well, he offers him the choice, you know, you can die here or you can try out a new life as a vampire and Louis agrees. And so you know, they become bound together and list that loves their lovers. There's a sort of very twisted plotline in which you know, list at wants to keep them together. And so he transforms this little girl into a vampire who Louie is attached to so that he will have to stay with listech Because now they have to raise this little vampire girl together. Just very messed up family dynamic there. But yeah, Louis is just the most depressing character. And it's, it's funny in an Interview with the Vampire the movie, Tom Cruise plays Lestat and Brad Pitt plays Louis and Brad Pitt actually complained about having to take that role because he felt like he was he was getting, you know, the sort of weak character like this stat is so charismatic, and like, fun and he's, like, powerful and interesting and has all his personality, and he's just listed is totally at peace with being a vampire in Interview with a Vampire, at least that is how he's portrayed. Whereas Louis, has a really hard time adjusting to vampirism. And he feels this moral conflict over having to kill people to survive. And for a long time, he literally survives on like, rats, and, you know, creatures that he can find on the streets because he's too ashamed to kill people. And he mostly he spends most of the movie just like, utterly addicted to his own shame and guilt and regret. So he is a bit of a sad sack. And yeah, maybe there's, it's funny when I
Kyle Pierce 1:13:48
totally rules the seventh house, I'm
Tristan Paylor 1:13:49
when I so so in terms of lists, that's birth time, when I first cast the chart, it was a beautiful coincidence that I'm using solar fire to cast charts. And I didn't specify a birth time because I didn't have one. And so it just input the time that I cast the chart automatically. And it just so happened that the moment I first cast the stats chart with my software, Leo was rising, and so or at least it would be at that time, not like literally in my little town in Ontario, but if it was the equivalent time in France and 76 year whatever, Leo would have been rising. So and I was like that does really I mean, it would make a lot of sense, especially from a sort of pop astrology point of view, where you know, Leo is the bombastic you know, performer that is very charismatic and charming and draws attention to itself and that is you know, list that's a literal Rockstar cannot get enough attention. and cannot stand being alone.
Kyle Pierce 1:15:02
And it's literally what like, bring some out. It's why he leaves his home to begin with, is to go to Paris to be an actor, an actor and then when he's at the beginning of the book, he's like an hybrid. He's hibernating for like 50 years or for a while after probably after Louie burnt the shit out of him. He's, he's recovering.
Tristan Paylor 1:15:25
Because it's so another another thing that might be relevant to you know, the discussion here about whether or not Saturn rules is seven tariffs is that many of his affairs have very tragic moments. So Nicolas, of course, you know, dies as a result of his vampiric insanity. Lou, we, the little girl that lists that turns into a vampire and that they adopt gets tired. was sad, or Yeah, it gets, yeah, she's, she's stuck in this body. But she's aging, which is a really interesting, sort of, there's a lot of a lot of thematic exploration you can do with a character like that. So she's, you know, like, well into middle age and still in the body of like an eight year old girl is understandably very frustrated by the circumstance and is resentful towards the staff for turning her into this creature. So she finds a way to kill him. Or at least they think and then he ends up tracking them down and Louis lights on fire. So he has one lover died tragically, and he has another lover literally light him on fire. So doesn't have a great track record. With significant others, it seems it starts and they do tend to be very sad and have that sort of sorrowful longing about them, which does sort of fit Saturn and Pisces.
Kyle Pierce 1:16:52
When if you were to make it a Leo rising that would put Saturn in the eighth house, and like the troubles re they're like sort of caught. It sort of come from being sort of thrust into to being and becoming vampires. He turns you know, his sad, the men that he falls in love with, right, the the sad, tragic figures, and he turns them into vampires and sort of forces while he gave technically you can give me the choice, right? Yeah. But it's sort of thrusting them into this like, eighth house kind of scenario maybe of being Oh, yeah. And it doesn't necessarily go super great. I think that something about Mars conjunct Pluto, no less. Squaring that Saturn. It's sort of like Mars is like, Dude, this is fun. Let's do it. Now let's let's be vampires live forever. Like we we you know, we can do whatever we want. Mars in the fifth house, too. So it's like, we are just going to have a really great time.
Tristan Paylor 1:17:56
Fitting, he has a really messed up idea. What is a good time, there's a great scene in the movie where he's literally dancing with a corpse is eating like a corpse on the side of the play. He just thinks it's hilarious. Louis is sulking as he always is. And so this list starts with trying to cheer him up. Yeah,
Kyle Pierce 1:18:15
you end up getting both sides, like the planets end up like playing both sides of the story to some degree because like, you get the figure of Louis and Nicholas being Saturn and Pisces. And the story plays out in a very Saturn in Pisces way trying to make something last forever, like sort of beautiful. Yeah, it's like embalming it in a way that? Yeah, it's like doomed to tragedy. It's just part of what makes it beautiful, in the sense is the the failure of it, or the doomed nature of it?
Tristan Paylor 1:18:50
Well, I think I mean, the entire story is, you know, really get into the nature of time and mortality, which are both really relevant to Saturn and made me think that Saturn must be a major player in the stats chart. Yeah. The, like, Saturn is the Lord of time, and also represents the laws of nature. And vampires sort of defy the laws of nature and live for an unnaturally long time. They sort of hacked time. But there's also like, Saturn represents things that are very old and very ancient and vampires can you know, nothing bad happens like they're, they are able to die. But if nothing happens to them, they can just carry on indefinitely. So you have vampires who are 1000s of years old, which does carry that like that ancient feeling of Saturn of having collected all of these experiences and watched all of these ages rise and fall and like how would that affect your perspective on life because you're getting a Saturn's eye view of the world when you are potentially immortal. But then like, you know with Mars squaring Saturn in his chariot, there is that theme of breaking those laws of nature and the tragedy that results because of his recklessness, right, like Mars is recklessness. Saturn is like, these are just nature's laws. Like, you people are not actually meant to live forever. They're not meant to stay in a young body for all eternity. Yeah. And, and Pisces is that longing, like, I want that beautiful thing to last for all eternity. And it's like, that's just not how things work. And if you try to force things to be that way, you're going to they're going to be destructive consequences. Well, I also think of like, part of what makes mortality so beautiful, or what makes, you know, youth so beautiful, is that it is so brief, like that's part of what makes it treasured. It's part of why we value it. And to try to stretch life out indefinitely, is actually ultimately destroying the very beauty that you seek to preserve.
Kyle Pierce 1:21:03
Yeah, and that's like, the sun and moon, probably in the second Deccan of Scorpio and Scorpio is it's kind of about that hunger and lust you know, that like then in like the second decade, it's like a little more of like a bottomless hunger or like, wanting to make it last forever, just like wanting all of it that sort of bottom was thirst is maybe the most vampiric in a sense of the of the three decades in Scorpio.
Tristan Paylor 1:21:35
Well, I've I've got, I've got to just quote this directly. So Kyle and I have been reading 36 faces by Austin Copic. And of course, I looked at Scorpio too, while I was analyzing the stats, Chiron is pretty on the nose and the second decade of Scorpio so his son is definitely in the second decade of Scorpio his Moon is very likely also in the second decade of Scorpio and you know, at the very least it's passing through there in that 24 hour period. So on on his birthday at some point you know, it's in the second deck and and that that Deccan of Scorpio has a lot to do with relationships and the sort of patterns of vulnerability and creativity Yeah, and intimacy as well as destruction that occur in relationships. So, Austin will distillation I believe Yeah, and mutual destruction. Yeah, is a theme like mutual destruction in relationships is a theme that Austin gives for this deck in which seems very fitting for lists dad's love life in general. Yeah. And he's very motivated for companionship, whether that's lovers or not like he he is sort of loneliness is a central theme to his character. He deeply desires union with other people. So the book 36 seconds gives a short delineation for each planet in each Deccan. And the description for moon in the second decade of Scorpio was too funny for me not to share. I remember this one, like in I'm gonna quote verbatim from the book, the moon in this deck in is desirous of intimate union to take care of another and to be taken care have in turn. The danger here is in the attempt to bring others into a mutual arrangement without their consent. As these natives are often possessed of intense emotional needs, they get it gets even better. They will struggle with vampiric tendency, just perfectly on the nose. For though they are not evil hearted. Their needs sometimes overwhelm their regard for others, they must invite not coerce others to participate for this as a face of mutuality. Literally calling him out for being a vampire. And it's
Kyle Pierce 1:24:10
funny, because he like, thinks that he's doing it too with like, Louis, and even with Nicholas, like, do you want it? Like now? Thanks. He
Tristan Paylor 1:24:18
is giving them a choice. But with Louis, it's like you've already attacked him. I mean, if you walked up to him with a business card, you would be giving him the choice, but now you drained him to the point of death and then playing Yeah. And another sort of theme with him is that like he wasn't given a choice when he was attacked and changed. So I don't know. I can't remember if this line repeats in the book, I assume it does.
Kyle Pierce 1:24:42
When he was given Well, he was asked basically, to buy his when he was being turned into a vampire. Oh, yes. asked. I asked. He was like, you know, tell me you want it basically. And he's like, I don't I can't remember if it was he was asked directly but basically the vampire did it anyway.
Tristan Paylor 1:24:58
Okay, Though we've got some issues with consent going on Yeah, he's been on the receiving end of and then he has complicated issue with consent when it comes to the people he falls in love with as well. Because in, in the movie, he keeps repeating, like when he goes to turn, Louis he says, I'm gonna give you the choice that I never got. And he keeps kind of repeating this it's like an ongoing motif in the film that he's obsessed with choice and the fact that like, Louis at least got a choice and he didn't, but like, I also feel like you can't you can't sucks all of someone's blood so that they can only choose between death and vampirism. And then say that, Oh, yeah, you got a choice. It's all good. Like you you agreed to this brand new life
Kyle Pierce 1:25:47
does seem like Mars is ruling, you know, the Scorpio stuff, right? And it does seem Yeah, no offense to Mars and sad, right. But there is like, like to jump to, like, a conclusion almost be like, Well, yeah, this fits the rules, right? This is, you know, this code like I, you know, I asked them, you know, they had they had a choice, right, but sort of totally glossing over, like, all the details of that, or,
Tristan Paylor 1:26:12
Oh, yeah. tareas kind of looking at the big picture. Yeah, really the fine print.
Kyle Pierce 1:26:18
You know, just kind of gloss over the little details, because, you know, it doesn't quite fit the big picture that we're trying to make here. And you do more square in that Saturn, which, if it's ruling, Saturn's ruling the seventh, you know, you got a couple double indicators there.
Tristan Paylor 1:26:34
I do want to talk a bit about the Sagittarius planets because Oh, yeah, interesting as well.
Kyle Pierce 1:26:40
And Jupiter too. But yeah, Sagittarius
Tristan Paylor 1:26:43
A really, really fun thing that Anne Rice does with the first two books of the Vampire Chronicles is Interview with the Vampire is essentially Louis story. It's, you know, telling this story from his point of view. And so you're getting a stat from his point of view, and lists that as Louis describes him is basically just like, you're the sort of what pop culture thinks a narcissist is just like superficially charming, but ultimately very hollow and empty, and just always using other people for his own needs. So that's, that is the picture of Lestat that Louis paints for us. But then in the follow up to that book, you have the Vampire Lestat. And now you're having the stat story from his point of view, and lists that tells a very different story. And one of the things he talks about is that he only kills evildoers that he was like, he sort of has a moral code about how he kills so he doesn't really feel like he's evil. And I feel like that's very this is very Mars and Sagittarius where there's a certain I feel like Mars and Sagittarius because it's ruled by Jupiter, there's a sort of nobility to it, you know, like I am, Mars is destructive, but it's like I am destroying with some sort of divine or moral purpose, or mandate. Yeah. And then with, you know, Venus and Sagittarius, you also get desire being mixed up with questions of morality. So, you know, he's very passionate and has very strong desires. And you know, as that beautiful description by Austin Copic of moon and Scorpio two talks about, you know, their needs, sometimes overwhelming their regard for others. That does happen to Lestat. But at heart, like he still wants to do the right thing or believe that he's doing the right thing. Yeah.
Kyle Pierce 1:28:45
In the book, right. I been listening to it, because I like through the context of the chart. So it's like, okay, I can see how this shows up. But it's interesting, especially with like, the discussions with Nicolas, because Nicholas has much more Saturn in Pisces, in my mind, like, it's a heavy sort of struggles with morality, and stuff. And like, we'll see that we'll kind of go there and then kind of be like, huh, yeah, but like, you know, the, it's like, the quick sort of simple moral solution to the moral dilemma is kind of where he tends to go with things. And that is certainly the Mars and sedge approach, I would say, but Sagittarius also it's like
Tristan Paylor 1:29:33
the answer quickly, quick and dirty moral philosophy.
Kyle Pierce 1:29:38
Let's like let's just get it done. What's fine the the whatever the justification is we need for for this.
Tristan Paylor 1:29:46
Yeah, absolutely. i The justification. Yeah. Well, that's the thing is like Saj is very good at coming up with a justification. Yeah, for it does. Yeah.
Kyle Pierce 1:29:56
And, you know, Jupiter, might be a little more now. actually suited to it. Mars will maybe be a little more slapdash perhaps Yeah, yeah. But it is interesting because then then you get Jupiter ruling this edge stuff and Saturn rules the Jupiter stuff and you kind of do get the story throughout the whole thing of like he's sort of learning or trying to learn like the Saturn stuff is the Saturn in Pisces is feeding everything else essentially. But it's, you know, sort of happening through trial and error and through this long cycle of but ultimately kind of going back to kind of doing some of the same stuff over and over again but it's like he is slowly sort of learning. Granted, I haven't gotten that far. I'm only about halfway into the book so I don't know how and being a rock star and stuff goes it just it makes me think that that Saturn is in the eighth house and like learning through maybe mistakes through maybe they're hard won lessons, but they're also not always the easiest to make stick with like, oh, wait, oh, I missed that part of the lesson I gotta retrace that one
Tristan Paylor 1:31:16
is so the Leo rising is definitely very compelling as an option for his chart, but I was also looking at it with Aquarius rising because I just kept thinking Saturn has got to be significant in this era, it would put Jupiter on or at least within regions ascendant, which fits his very larger than life personality and his his you know, sort of rock star qualities. But there's because it's Jupiter and Aquarius, there's sort of like a darkness or an edge to it. And you know, he's like rebellious and literally a vampire. So like, I feel like that that kind of fits is his. He's, he's charming, and fashionable and graceful, and you kind of want to be around him. But there is a rough edge to all of that. It would also put, potentially put on Venus, that Venus South Node conjunction, or that Mars Pluto conjunction, right on the midheaven because it would give him a potentially give him a Sagittarius midheaven in the 11th house, and I just I kept thinking, I feel like the 10th and 11th houses must be significant in this chart because of the his obsession with publicity. him wanting to have a relationship with the public, it's very successfully cultivating a relationship with the public. So his his Sun Moon conjunction would be in the 10th house and I was like, I feel like the sun in his chart is very visible in some way. Whether he's a Leo rising or he has the sun in the first or the 10th house like that. Ironic for a vampire they can't quote in sunlight but but I feel like the sun has got to be really visible in his chart somewhere and up in the 10th is good for a rock star. But then his leg this theme of loneliness and desire for companionship, that is that recurs in his story and characterization feels like someone with a very complicated 11th house. And having like the south node, Pluto and Mars are all symbols of the taboo and transgression and secrets and having them right on his midheaven would be kind of fitting because he has this public facing role and part of his public facing role is that he is like revealing vampire secrets to mortals through his public activities, which feels very much like the archetypes of those symbols of the South Node Pluto and Mars. What would they be doing on stage in the public sphere would probably be you know, bringing up dark secrets causing a bunch of controversy. His music literally raises the Vampire Queen like wakes her up. So you get very like Pluto South Node like apocalyptic evil underworld powerful being coming up to completely take over the world and destroy life as we know it. Because of this public facing activities and love and
Kyle Pierce 1:34:43
you think you'd be able to I know
Tristan Paylor 1:34:46
Aquarius rising, Leo rising are both very compelling.
Kyle Pierce 1:34:50
It's like that middle that Mercury ruled the Deccan of Aquarius which is like, like the navigating between worlds sort of like never really belonging to Any world but sort of being associating with and like being popular in different groups but like never actually sticking around actually the key was actually became really popular is first go at acting. Everybody loved him. He was great, but that's actually how he became a vampire was he was selected he was Gani meted by a vampire. He was taken away and turned into a vampire. Ah, shoot.
Tristan Paylor 1:35:31
All right. Yeah,
Kyle Pierce 1:35:32
he was the vampire fell in love with them. By seeing them on the stage, something special about that. That will stop guy and whisked him away. Very very Ganymede. I don't know you could be right about this Aquarius rising. So God How can you just go either way, it shouldn't be like that. You should be able to tell the difference between Aquarius and Leo right?
Tristan Paylor 1:35:58
It shouldn't be like that. Now, all opposite signs are the same at the end of the day. It's like half the time I'm pretty sure I have Libra and half the time I'm like, No, it's an Aries and then I'm like I'm not saying those if you somewhere else.
Kyle Pierce 1:36:15
You get the sun. You could put like the sun in Scorpio right on the icy which almost has like the midnight sun quality, which
Tristan Paylor 1:36:24
Oh, yes.
Kyle Pierce 1:36:26
Like it's visible in a sense, because it's Angular, but it's also like, the peak of midnight, you know, and it's
Tristan Paylor 1:36:32
yes, the darkest yeah of the day, we're the and that's sort of like the the point of resurrection. Like I always think that the sun in the fourth house really has and mean anything in the fourth house but especially the sun has that theme of rebirth, where it's like you have passed through the underworld and are now ready to reemerge is something new and like having a night chart for a vampire just it makes it's very fitting.
Kyle Pierce 1:37:00
You also get like the with the moon which means the complicated relationship with the mother like I don't know that turns the mother into a vampire. Like it's flying to the sun. There's something about Saturn in Pisces ruling the descendant that just seems so much like like Louis and and Nicholas tragic figures Yeah.
Tristan Paylor 1:37:27
And I mean as as someone with Saturn ruling my descendant and in my seventh house, I've just I've definitely been down that road a few times. I've learned from it. But yeah, then like I've I've been very much a sucker for tragic figures in in my romantic past.
Kyle Pierce 1:37:46
I think the luminary ruled a sentence they all want to bring. They want to save.
Tristan Paylor 1:37:52
We want to be the light.
Kyle Pierce 1:37:56
My light to you. I'll see you. I can fix you.
Tristan Paylor 1:37:59
Yeah, I was brutal for that.
Kyle Pierce 1:38:04
It helps having Saturn in Capricorn was just like, okay, the Saturn will tell you like, no. This is how much of your help that I need. And there's I don't keep up
Tristan Paylor 1:38:17
with that. I ended up just the the resolution to the seventh house for me it was just to find a Capricorn rising. Not a tragic figure in any way. Yeah. Yeah, the Saturn qualities manifests in a totally different way and it works out well. Yeah. So thankfully, I think I think my phases of trying to be the light in some tragic characters darkness has come to an end.
Kyle Pierce 1:38:51
You go hero.
Tristan Paylor 1:38:53
Oh my god. I don't think it ever really ended for the stat
Kyle Pierce 1:38:58
No, no, I don't think so. Ah, mystery. This chart though. I mean, Damien's was pretty like pretty legit pretty Wow. But the stats is that's think it's I don't know, maybe just a much more emotionally compelling story to
Tristan Paylor 1:39:18
Yeah, it's more complex character.
Kyle Pierce 1:39:21
All fire and water. Much more dramatic.
Tristan Paylor 1:39:25
Oh, yeah. Even if you just look at the sort of zoom out and just look at the elements. You get the most dramatic and like, I don't know, it's hard to rank, which is the most dramatic fire sign but Sagittarius can really, really give it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, don't underestimate the quality of Sagittarius to bring the boldness, the excitement and the drama.
Kyle Pierce 1:39:54
Yeah. I think there was something I wanted to say about Venus on the south node. escaping me because we've been recording for a while now and I'm it's way past your bedtime I'm sorry.
Tristan Paylor 1:40:04
And being kept up late into the night during spooky season. I know almost at the witching hour talking about vampires
Kyle Pierce 1:40:12
sleeping safely through this. Oh,
Tristan Paylor 1:40:15
well, the Moon in Scorpio rules my chart so the day that I am safely sleeping through anything spooky will be a strange day for me
Kyle Pierce 1:40:28
it's probably a good stopping point.
Tristan Paylor 1:40:31
I'm very curious to hear what you have to say about the Venus South Node conjunction but
Kyle Pierce 1:40:37
I was just thinking about like the D materializing of. Its I mean, it's very I don't know I that honestly was making me think of like the dancing with the dead body thing the Marcin said to I don't know, there's a lot of like Mars conjunct Pluto and Saj Venus with the South Node and Sagittarius A lot of like just playing and having fun with the dead a little bit.
Tristan Paylor 1:41:00
Ya know, Venus is you know, what brings us pleasure and makes us happy to be alive. And it's conjunct the south node which is all about death and elimination and destruction and overturning of old structures. Like there's a real rebelliousness to the south node as well, which fits for the brat prince who cannot be constrained. Yes, he's a very chaotic sort of character, the south node is a very chaotic archetype that have Venus there, it's like you literally desire the chaos.
Kyle Pierce 1:41:33
Like Venus, almost like maybe punk rock element to it a little bit, which, like, very rebellious, but also like, he's, you know, he's all about like, his sex appeal. Right? He very vegan, descriptive of like, like how luscious you know, the person's features are, like, just very into the beauty. And like, the sound quality is, I don't know, it's like, you get a little bit of that, like, wanting to make spiritualizing the beauty basically, like, it's, it's, it's, like sensual experiences for him are very much like, that's like, what uplifts that is what like, is it is a spiritual experience. Like the even like the experience of being a vampire to him is like, very much like to experience all the sensual delights of the world. But it also being like, I don't know, it's it bears has spikes, right, his teeth that he drinks people's blood, like, like, the symbolism is well established throughout the chart, but like, we get a maybe an added an added layer there. You know?
Tristan Paylor 1:42:51
Yeah. And that really is
Kyle Pierce 1:42:53
watching people die, like, you know, find ways to appreciate that.
Tristan Paylor 1:42:58
The the Pleasure, pleasure being linked to death and disintegration. Yeah. And the dissolution of the old. Yeah, that's it. I mean, everything in this chart really spells vampire.
Kyle Pierce 1:43:16
Yeah, either. And rice is a very talented astrologer. Or there's something to this, I feel like we're establishing a pattern here with our real, this is real. It's so real, that it's even real for fake people.
Tristan Paylor 1:43:38
And that begs the question, how fake are there?
Kyle Pierce 1:43:41
Well, it's the things in some ways, I think life too. Yeah, they're in some ways more real than you and I, more people know about them. Yeah. Hurt my own feelings.
Tristan Paylor 1:43:55
Less sad is not even a real person. And he is more popular than
Kyle Pierce 1:44:01
Well, that's the thing is like, I mean, once something lives in enough people's imagination that is that not real.
Tristan Paylor 1:44:07
I think it is real, I think. Yeah, you're creating something living I mean, that's like, the whole work of making talismans and astrology is in soling, and objects, you know, and you're, you're picking a time for it to be born, that will be favorable for waking up the spirit in that object or placing a spirit in that object, whichever way you look at it. Sort of the work of the artist is you are breathing that breath of life into new creations and bringing them into the world. Yeah.
Kyle Pierce 1:44:38
I mean, I don't we we had had this conversation about areas a while back, not on the show, but you know that that pursuit of immortality, right. I feel like the artist's way of achieving immortality is through the art that they create. And I know for myself, like, you know, like Create something. When I did art, I remember being feeling very strongly about, you know, wanting to pursue art because that feeling of like, yeah, if I can make something beautiful enough for it to, to not just outlive me but like to become bigger than me right to become bigger than than you like the thing you create, which is not like you just created it, you wove it out of your imagination, but you made something that was even bigger than yourself. That's like an accomplishment. That's an achievement in my mind. Now, I appreciate much more mundane achievements as well. But certainly as a teenager, that was like the only way I could ever measure success was creating something on that scale. Which and race I would say did, and I guess if you create something on that scale big enough, then it has a chart maybe. I guess maybe everything has a chart? I don't know. Everything has a chart. I mean, technically everything does have a chart,
Tristan Paylor 1:46:02
if it is bound by space and time. Yeah, has the chart.
Kyle Pierce 1:46:08
Yeah, some are more descriptive than others, I suppose. But um, yeah, we should probably call it a night here. Anything you have going on Tristan that you want to share with the world
Tristan Paylor 1:46:26
particularly
Kyle Pierce 1:46:28
immortalized on the airwaves?
Tristan Paylor 1:46:32
Anything I want to immortalize on the airwaves? Not really, I'll, I'll put a link to my Instagram in the show notes in case people want to follow me there. I haven't been posting a ton of stuff directly related to astrology, but I think I've been doing a little more art and I've been doing more ritual. And I think I'm probably going to bring astrology into those things a bit more. So people are curious about astrology related art. Some of that might show up on my Instagram from time to time. Well, what
Kyle Pierce 1:47:04
did you do incorporate astrology or not like people should definitely follow it. Because Dude, your images are like, I don't know how you create these like set pieces. Like they're, they're beautiful. They look amazing. Thank you. And like the alters that you've made? And like the mean, your notebook? Is that your handwriting? Yeah. And writings phenomenal thing like it's you like literally, I don't know you could be you need to be doing something with it or do something for me. My handwriting is atrocious,
Tristan Paylor 1:47:34
not the capitalist pressure.
Kyle Pierce 1:47:38
You don't need to be but you could. And it'll probably just come to you if you just do it.
Tristan Paylor 1:47:42
I think that's what I gotta do. I gotta just do it. So jump, jump on Instagram, everyone and encouraged me to keep making stuff and make astrology stuff because it's fun.
Kyle Pierce 1:47:51
Yes. share interesting stuff, too. You know, and share this show with people.
Tristan Paylor 1:47:58
Yeah, tell everyone about it because Kyle is awesome. And an amazing astrologer and you don't want to miss out on any of his insights.
Kyle Pierce 1:48:07
Someone from you could probably miss but there's there's gems in there. I think I like to think so. At least. Speaking of which, right? Yeah, I well. For me, you can always book a reading with me through my website, astrology. Jesus, Kyle Pierce astrologer.com I also recently published a collection of sun sign delineations sort of based on the signs like disposition towards Leo. So basically, their sun sign 20 Asians but they're pretty good. I'm pretty proud of them. So
Tristan Paylor 1:48:43
I love they think I think they're fantastic. And I think that the the system that you used of comparing them all to Leo is the home base of the Sun was really cool and ended up being like really accurate. You know, it was weird. Yeah, very cool delineation technique.
Kyle Pierce 1:49:00
They almost wrote themselves and a lot of ways but, um, yeah. Well, happy Halloween to everyone. And thanks so much for joining me on the show. Tristan, it's always wonderful to have you.
Tristan Paylor 1:49:15
Thank you for having me. How was Halloween have sour?
Kyle Pierce 1:49:21
Alright, yeah. Happy Halloween everyone.
Tristan Paylor 1:49:28
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