Which Planet Rules Astrology?

Kyle Pierce 0:05

Hello and welcome to astrology hotline. The podcast we answer all your birth chart and astrology questions. Joining me today is Joe G. (Joe G: Hello. Hello. Hello) And how are you doing Joe G?

Joe G. 0:18

I am good. sniffling with allergies but feeling great. Just meant to me started not too long ago, it was amazing to me a lot of the astrology peeps. So coming off of that Hi really started to kind of get reintegrated into a world where not everyone was an astrologer

Kyle Pierce 0:41

sounds like a wonderland. When my son was like three, I took them to was called Great Wolf Lodge up in Traverse City. And I remember we got there at like, one o'clock in the morning. They were like, half awake. And I have, you know, taken up to the room and woke up and like, the first thing that they said was like, What is this? What is this Dreamland we're in and I was like, it was like, literally, like they thought that it woken up in? In like a dreamland. Oh, that's awesome. It was it was such a great moment. But that's what I imagined honestly, like, strategy conference to be which it really was, wasn't for COVID I probably would have already been to one by now. But

Joe G. 1:26

I honestly cried every day I was there. And this is my cancer, sun and rising. But I'm just I've been learning astrology for a while. And a lot of these people are just in my computer, you know, and to see them in real life and to have them recognize me. Even crazier, you know. But yeah, that's amazing time.

Kyle Pierce 1:49

It's feeling like such a big missing piece for me, like more and more now that like everybody else is getting to do it. getting jealous. Yeah. Well, next year. Let's go. Oh, yeah, it's a priority. Now. Not only there's one. There's a great lakes astrology conference that yeah, they canceled it in 2001 or 2001 2021. And I guess they just didn't even try to do it this year. I'm hoping they bring that back. Because that was an Ann Arbor. And that's like, less than an hour from where I live. Yeah. So close to me, too. It's like I there's no way I would not show up to that one. as well. Right. That is you're probably pretty close. Physically. You're like, yeah, you're just like across the lake, the lake? Yeah, those Anywho. Shall we? Like, we're just going to do one question today. Keep it simple. Yeah. Oh, could be a kind of a biggest question. And guess we'll see where we go with it. But our question comes from Sam. And Sam asks, What planet rules astrology? And I got excited by this question, just because just because I get to do my favorite thing, which is to be like, well, everybody says this, but it's actually this. But even with that kind of perspective, like, you know, all the planets sort of have a role in what astrology is. And maybe even if I were looking at a chart, like what would make someone gravitate towards astrology, or give someone maybe some of the traits of an astrologer. So I figured we'd maybe talk a little bit about different ideas on this, and maybe some planets you would consider to be more heavily involved in astrology than others.

Joe G. 3:40

No, you go for it.

Kyle Pierce 3:41

Yeah. But maybe we'll start with the simple answer, which

Joe G. 3:46

the simple answer is, of course, Mercury. Mercury. is far from mercury. Yes. out of the gate, if anyone wants to fight with me, we'll see each other after Mars leaves. And it's not even there yet. We'll wait a little while.

Kyle Pierce 4:07

Yeah. And even I mean, Mercury makes intuitive sense. In that it's the interpreter of symbols. And what is astrology but a set of symbols, which we interpret as astrologers and translate.

Joe G. 4:23

And that actually, like, brings a very interesting I guess, fact, I don't know if we can call it fact. But I just don't want to butcher the name. But there's this guy. And bizarre I think Alan bizarre, and ours are andar is gar. Arabic astrologers when he has a list of triplicity the religion of the triplicity of the houses and each topic they correspond to And here's what he has to say about the ninth house, which is very interesting because it houses usually where we find astrology, learning, higher learning faith and things like that. So he says that the first lot of the triplicity of the place of the journey, which is the ninth house indicates the journey, and its suitability the second religion and religious observance and eminence that one obtains in that form. And the third indicates science, vision, stars, slash astrology, and almonds and truth and falsehood. Which is very interesting, because that's the third triplicity ruler that would be responsible for astrology. And although Mercury is the planet that rules astrology, Mercury is not the third participating triplicity ruler of any of the triplet cities. So, by this technique, using the triplicity lords of the ninth house, Mercury could actually never ruled astrology for a specific nativity, which is very interesting to think about. And I think this is more so one of those cases where you see like Firmicutes materna, saying that the sun and the moon cannot rule the nativity, because they rule everything, then I think that could also be a similar case with mercury that he cannot rule the astrology of a particular native, or they cannot rule your shoulder of a particular native. Because they rule everything, all of the astrology is all of the sciences. So that's my thought, What do you think I

Kyle Pierce 6:36

think that's actually a really good way of looking at it, because mercury, and it's been helpful for me to just to kind of for a while, I was kind of leaning heavily, too heavily on like, what planet rules the house and like almost getting, like forgetting that Venus is always going to Venus, and Mercury is always going to Mercury. But Mercury has that, just that job of translating everything and sort of weaving things together and to something that can be delivered. And also, it has that, you know, the the receptive component of like, listening to, or seeing and translating kind of putting the information into a pot and categorizing it. And for almost everything that astrology does, so there's different layers of it that I want to sort of look at some of the modern takes on what planets rule astrology, which sort of makes sense, depending on how you're on what angle you're perceiving astrology from, but Mercury has that job of like, you wouldn't have any of it. Without mercury, because, you know, you you need mercury to take the sources of information and translate it, translate them. Yeah, yeah.

Joe G. 7:59

And even the first thing I think you're going into outer planet territory, any reason for thinking about that, like we can even see the outer planets with our Mercury, because mercury are the tools and the gadgets. And yeah, the sciences necessary to even tap into that other realm of existence. Yeah. So yes, Uranus can participate in the astrology party, but without mercury, no one is gonna get to see Uranus that's around, you know?

Kyle Pierce 8:30

Yeah. And well, I want to jump to Uranus. But I like that you vote at the ninth house, because that is probably one of the primary least house topic areas that I would look for astrology for almost every way that you use it to its, you know, omens in kind of meaning making. And I like the idea of the journey to with like, the ninth house, which even maybe very non traditional, modern astrologers will still want to weave sort of personal narrative around the chart. I think that's one of the big things that astrology is useful for is kind of finding yourself in the context of your your journey, or you're weaving yourself into a quest, if you will. Yeah. And speaking of the ninth house, you do have the ninth house is the the house where the sun rejoices. Yeah, and the sun is also one of the planets that gets wrapped up in divination, is it has that ability to see, but Mercury is the translator of the vision of the son of yes, you know, what the son knows. So kind of in that in that context, you get, you get the mercury component.

Joe G. 9:46

I think it's also fair to say that Mercury does not just translate the sun or the moon, I think it's, it would be doing a disservice to not talk about the connection, Steven moon and mysticism because it's really similar to the thing with mercury where a lot of the mercury significations got important to Uranus, but a lot of the significations of the moon got given to Neptune, and mysticism and that sense of like nebulous, SNESs. And yeah, the wandering fog of night. And those are all very lunar things, you have mercury be participating in both sects. So like the de sect with the sun and the might second with the moon, is that mercury is the translator of lights. It really, it makes sense of the fog of the night, the irrational and the mystical, but it also makes sense of the very concrete, the visual and the light. So I think that, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, I gotta say everything.

Kyle Pierce 10:52

They're all there. And they're like, the fastest moving. But like, traditionally, we'd look at the moon and Mercury really, for kind of the, the mind of the individual. And think about what astrology was, it is it is it is, it is like, a mapping of the life as well. But like the idea that, you know, character in the way your mind works is sort of what informs your fate to a large degree character. Yeah. defines your fate.

Joe G. 11:26

Who you are is very much defines character.

Kyle Pierce 11:29

Well, yeah, it's, it's, it's and that's very mercurial territory is like Holding, holding those two opposites. They're both true. You know? I think that's because I, I also think you couldn't really do astrology without Jupiter. Because Jupiter is that, you know, the meaning maker and the, you know, what is it at all mean? Wisdom, that sort of the collection of wisdom and like creating, fitting a narrative into a context.

Joe G. 12:03

Yeah. And I think our approach to astrology in modern times is a lot more jovial than it used to be, because I think Mercury being completely neutral. It has now like, yeah, your father's gonna die tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, I think that Jupiter with that wisdom, like can, like, find better ways to communicate that and to, to really focus on like that empowering that positivity and how to, like, even overcome it. So yeah, and it's funny that we're in this conversation about triplicity Lords too, because if we're thinking about Mercury and the triplicity, that they rule, it's the triplicity of air by night I believe and Jupiter is the participating ruler in the air triplicity. So, if we have like a nice house that is of the very nature then Jupiter would be the planet responsible for astrology and sciences and divination. So to prevent just think about was that like, as long as you have what is it an Air sign rising? Jupiter will have some sort of say in the the astrology that that person or have that have that thing? You know?

Kyle Pierce 13:21

I like that you brought that up, because, you know, traditionally it was mercury and Saturn was what would make aspects between Mercury and Saturn or, you know, configurations, strong ones. Together, they made as infallible astrologers. Yeah. The end you just think about the maybe more ancient approach was sort of to define what the life was what will and will not happen to you? Well, will you be eaten by dogs? Or not? Or when will you die? And is

Joe G. 13:56

this person surviving?

Kyle Pierce 13:58

Nah, yeah. But Jupiter would have that approach of like, well, you know, how can we work with this? You know, what, what do you need? How do we make the best out of this? How do we improve circumstances? And that's, I think, how it's definitely how I prefer to approach astrology and how I think it's become more popular and useful, too. And it certainly helps. We have a lot more tools available to help people I think in modern times, right? You know, if you were depressed in the missing an arm in 800 ad, you're kind of boned because there's not really a lot of support or options available for

Joe G. 14:43

actually if you're not rich. If you're rich, you can get away yeah, oh, yeah,

Kyle Pierce 14:48

totally. But now there's, you know, there's a lot

Joe G. 14:51

we can do. And it's also also goes to say, if we're talking about Jupiter's role in astrology, I think it's also the accessibility that we have Today, like, anyone can get an astrology reading, it's not that hard, good person to like back that you could go to jail and die. Yeah. To this podcast about Roman laws surrounding magic back in the day, and it's like, yeah, if you're poor magic is not a thing that you can do. But if you rich, you will, will not kill you. It's all good. Do your magic, it's fine. So like to see that inclusivity come in today, I guess that, that Jupiter's role is bringing that inclusivity and maybe Saturn's role is bringing the reality?

Kyle Pierce 15:45

Yeah, okay. Yeah, and the precision to like, Saturn is good at weeding out. anything really, but ideally, you know, the stuff that doesn't serve the the bullshit, or something I've been thinking about a lot lately is is focusing in on what actually is necessary or what needs to be delivered what needs to be said and what doesn't need to be said. And even thinking about Saturn, in the traditional sort of maybe negative context of a lot of astrology might have had, has a great application now is in deciding like, What to tell someone and what not to tell someone you know, are even like how to deliver it. I feel like so much of a good reading too, is like what you don't say to the person, like, you can look at maybe a placement and see, you know, five different things, a bunch of different possibilities. But then, you know, sort of weeding things out and focusing in on like the reality of a person's life. And what is the most likely context for this, for the manifestation of that given placement to exist in, but also like, what's going to be relevant to the person? And you know, what did they ask for what, you know, what did? What did they come in for, and sort of weeding things out? Instead of just going everything at them? Yeah.

Joe G. 17:12

And I think Saturn too, if we're thinking about how Saturn would do astrology, it's that like, sense of, if you don't want to know don't ask, yeah, Saturn definitely be a little bit more of that. Like, the job, my job is to, like, give you what you asked for. And I did that, that whether you're pleased with that. That's not my problem. And it's funny to think that if we're still jumping around the triplicity that would be inside and wouldn't be the participating Lord of the fire triplicity so the firing of the astrology of fire signs would be the more direct and it's not it's not so far fetched to think about how a fire sign might just just say it

Kyle Pierce 18:01

yeah, when you get but you'd also get Jupiter to just kind of an interesting

Joe G. 18:07

as a participating Lord for fire. He would be Jupiter would be the copywriting so like whatever the opposite side depends on the sector. The by all tonight, gar it's like the third or fourth triplicity ruler so the one that stays the same regardless of sect. Okay. And for fire would be center

Kyle Pierce 18:34

during the day, right. Day, by day, Saturday and Jupiter by night for firefight signs

Joe G. 18:41

for fire. It's sun by day, Jupiter by night. And then Saturday cooperating.

Kyle Pierce 18:47

That's right. I just ended up sort of hitting the

Joe G. 18:51

luminaries. Yeah. Yeah, I used to do that a lot too. Because there are so many like things where the luminaries are just like, Oh, they're just rule everything. We won't give them these.

Kyle Pierce 19:02

Yeah, I mean, I guess I just tend to eat. I don't over emphasize or over emphasize, I probably under emphasize triplicity quite a bit. I tend to look at it as kind of like well, okay, so they all sort of have they all kind of have a relationship with these signs and have sort of impact to have but that is a fiend. TriCity will drive me nuts because there's like an imbalance with it that sort of leads me into this sort of feedback loop of thinking about it. And it's like for my brain, I have to sort of I have to look for a simple sort of softening kind of solution to it. Yeah, but that's almost an aside. It's probably worth noting, though, that for a cancer rising, which is the rising sign of the cosmos, Jupiter does rule the the ninth house. It's also the fall of mercury. Falling mercury. Which is interesting to me because there, there almost seems to be like a symbolism there like something in my mind that sort of suggests like there is. There are limits to like how, how much we're supposed to know maybe about what the fates have in store. It's almost like the deeper you go into it, the more you try to try to reach too far into the meaning of everything, you will get lost. And

Joe G. 20:31

there are things that cannot be explained or cannot be said or told. Yeah, maybe mercury and Pisces is very good at that. And I like tapping and understanding those places, but not everyone else. And it's like, it's like going to a country where you don't speak the language. And trying to like, explain to everybody how you need water.

Kyle Pierce 21:01

Yeah, understanding something and communicating it to another person. Having a thought and translating it to something different than conveyed to someone else are two very different things. It's the struggle. That's why

Joe G. 21:14

and one of the cool things too, like, I don't know if this is this is what we're doing now. But going by triplicity Lords then the moon would be the cooperating triplicity ruler of water. So that would be the the astrology planet for the water. risings. Very interesting. Yeah. And that definitely checks on my own chart as an astrologer myself, have the moon and mercury rising. And Shakeology is, of course, a big topic in my life. Yeah. Even just the sense of the lunar astrology, and what kind of astrology does the moon do? And I think it's a little bit of that Jupiter are like that caring and sort of inclusive, and nurturing. And I think that the moon again, can be a little bit of both now, it might even go into that Saturnian space where she does say what needs to be said she can be a little bit of that like Dark Mother sort of energy, but also with like, the soothing touch right after and this is a thing that I always tried to do in, in my readings, I I always try to like really focus on how can I say what it is that needs to be said, and that person can understand it, but also giving like, sort of ways to feel comfortable through of that whole thing. And I think that yeah, like lunar astrology is astrology that focuses on on comfort.

Kyle Pierce 22:46

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I was thinking about the high priestess in Tarot. Which leave us get the stuff wrong, but the is the third card. In the Tarot, and the Major Arcana it is. Yeah, I could be wrong on that. But I shouldn't have by now. But there being kind of a third house dimension. Yeah. To astrology or divination can be found sort of in the third house. Oh,

Joe G. 23:15

yes. Oh, and I'm so glad you mentioned that. Because also like ritualistic practices and yeah, worshipping and devotional practice, which is also a big part of my astrology. Oh,

Kyle Pierce 23:27

yeah. When I guess I think of when I think of the astrology that the moon would do, sort of on its own. I almost think of that more. necessarily astrology but astrology, like, but like intuitive astrology. Or, like, you know, cutting open a chicken, laying its guts out on the table and doing divination from that almost like an end to intuiting from it. Like maybe not necessarily with like, the precision of the of mercury. Right? And yeah, going through all the techniques and steps but like, sort of like, what do I get from this? I get this feeling. And from this feeling, yeah, I derive this meaning and, you know, like, like that. Yeah. Like, like Tarot on honestly ends up being more of like a lunar kind of divination where you're, you're putting the pieces together. Yeah. Yeah, Astro dice. Yeah, I actually just got a set of Astro dice. Oh, nice. looking awesome. Yeah, I love that. And I like, you know, being cancer risings. There's always like a layer of that, that you end up having to do with astrology. I think like you can technique the hell out of a chart. But you have to kind of go to that intuitive. That moon place that lunar sphere, where it's like, you'll let stuff just sort of gel and find the feeling of things and, you know, seeing where that leads you like there's an emotional component You know, I get a lot of feelings from charts and I feel like I ended up reading that as much as I read the technique of applying.

Joe G. 25:08

Yeah, and I think you with what they usually say about the moon, how she can, like hang out with the kings and hang out with the the labs and the people. Yeah, I think that that's also another part of like lunar astrology is that knowing how to speak with the person that's in front of you, like being too tied to your own sort of style, really, like willing to bend and more fit and, and reshape yourself to whatever it is that the person in front of you needs. And I think that that's really good at that.

Kyle Pierce 25:41

Yeah, I get jealous of Capricorns sometimes, because I know, that can be like a Leo quality too, like they are just who they are all the time. But my Capricorn will have almost like a, like really Capricorn. Yeah, what you get is what you get you came to me and you can do what I give you. Wow, that's fun. I feel like my, my Cancerian self is, you know, like, I'm just adapting to, to the circumstances, other people bring me and I'm like, Oh, should I be doing that? But there's value there, I think, hmm.

Joe G. 26:17

And I was just thinking is there is Venus, not the participating triplicity Lord of any of the triplicity is, because I said in the beginning that it was only mercury. But I'm thinking that maybe Venus

Kyle Pierce 26:30

also participates participating in water. She could be participating in earth, but I'm,

Joe G. 26:37

oh, no, actually, it's just an earth the participating ruler is Mars. So Venus and Mercury are the two planets that cannot be tied to like an individual's sense of astrology ninth house, ninth house by this owl and other gar. triplicity rulers of the house which is very interesting, because when I was thinking when I first heard the question, and I was thinking about the two planets that I definitely, definitely feel like are connected to astrology. Venus is also pretty high up there for me, and especially that sense of like priesthood, like the the astrology of priests, and I even think of talismanic magic and doing like, doing astrology that is very, like crafty, you're creating something. Even thinking about remediation and healing. I think those are all more Venusian the Mercurial at times, even even though we can easily see that in the Virgo side of mercury. I think that Venus can bring that like sensual or Yeah, central sensorial experience of being in that ritual space and bringing, like a new and being the priest or the priestess that, that facilitates the birth of spirit into an incarnate form. And I think that that's a very Venusian sort of human thinking about the fifth house and how it's the joy of the universe and you find mediators and and those sorts of people there to be the the mediator between men and well not men, because we're past that people and God

Kyle Pierce 28:32

Yeah.

Joe G. 28:34

And yeah, that to me seems like much more Venusian and like facilitating role even thinking about like, the way that we do astrology these days, like the one on one sort of like Libra. Like I'm here to like not make a decision for you but help you make a decision almost. Yeah,

Kyle Pierce 28:56

yeah, yeah. Thinking can we got five thoughts right now? All right, first one let's go I was thinking with Saturn is right you get that sort of harsh boundary keeper like like you were saying earlier like don't ask unless you want to know there's like an imposing quality that Astrology can have where it kind of looks like you almost want to observe caution about what what you open the door to Saturn being like what separates you the light from the darkness. But Venus has that quality of being gatekeeper to but like a like finding the right gate for you sort of, like harmonizing you with the right gate finding the right fit. Yeah, it's a much more pleasant and accommodating kind of gatekeeper. But I'm really surprised reading a lot of ancient astrology and finding that Venus got so heavily associated with war with war that's a whole that's that is the thing but priests, right and ritual and stuff I was like, Oh really, but then you think about it. And it makes a ton of sense especially because I always think of the like Anglican church or Catholic Church the like they have different robes for different masses and like there's this whole visual aesthetic appeal to the ceremony, and is extremely Venusian, and it's meant to cultivate, cultivate certain feelings, you know, in everyone and sort of unite and create a community around it. Which, you know, Venus exalted in Pisces. So I think I was think of Pisces for that sort of,

Joe G. 30:46

sort of in a marriage with God. Yeah,

Kyle Pierce 30:48

exactly. Like, yeah, the, like you said, I don't think use the word gatekeeper. But that facilitating the connection between God and men, right? And women, humans. And that being a big component of what astrology does it, but then you have a traditional, like, ancient astrologers were much more often scientists or mathematicians, they had to be in order to do astrology, like you had to be really fucking good at math to do it. And so there's an inherently more scientific approach, I think, to astrology from that perspective. But having computers especially having technology, it's almost like, there's so much more room for Venus in astrology now than maybe there was before. And I think it always had a role in it. But maybe that could be sometimes I have to, like, trudge through ancient texts, because they're so like, clinical and sometimes, not always, clinical, and like, kind of just heavy and like, you know, make you feel good and hearing about, you know, whose babies are gonna die and Exactly. People

Joe G. 32:09

getting eaten by dogs and these sorts of other things. Exactly. I find that hilarious.

Kyle Pierce 32:21

But that's why you need like Venus sort of to like, soften it. And even like, yeah, humor in it. But I think the last thing I was gonna say is the weird

Joe G. 32:30

laughter loving

Kyle Pierce 32:31

queen. That's right. The moon loves horses, too. By the way, I was going to ask you about that. It's totally unrelated. That might have actually came up for Venus to what I was trying to think about why Venus or why it comes along. Versus it comes

Joe G. 32:47

up in the the sun one, the Venus one on the moon one, I think. And I think that lava horses is a reference to the sun, because of course, yeah. Related to the sun. Yeah, so I decided

Kyle Pierce 33:06

I was gonna say though, the weird sort of overlap there can be with Venus and Mercury, which is kind of surprising since Venus showed hate each other. And yet, they do so many of the same things. They just do it in a very different way. But

Joe G. 33:23

that's probably why they hate each other. You do it? Yeah. Can you make it pretty pleased? To work? Yeah. It's like, what is it? The the old tale of a designer and an architect?

Kyle Pierce 33:39

Oh, yeah, that's a hadn't heard that one. But that's a perfect Oh, really?

Joe G. 33:44

Oh, that's arts cool. Jokes for you. But having gone through all the planets,

Kyle Pierce 33:54

not the only one we haven't as Mars. And yeah, that's a hard one to find. A obvious rule for I

Joe G. 34:01

find Horry now just because of the book, the martial art of horror, I think it's called. But I find that horror is actually very martial martial arts. See, I think that's what the book is called. Patrick Watson recommended it to me. It's a great book. It's something along those lines. I think I'm getting the title. A little wrong. But I do find that horror. He is a very Marshall sort of approach to astrology. Yeah, really cutting through time. It's like, this time here matters. It's like, and there is a little bit of that directness that Saturn has to. But if we're thinking about Saturn as slow increments of time, and like really looking at the Broad scape of an activity, and like, knowing like, is this person going to be like really going back to ancient times like is this person I'm gonna be eminent or not. Is it even worth trying to, like, make sure they survive or do we just let them die? Yeah, sorts of things. But then Mars in those are like bigger questions, whereas Mars with worry, I guess it would be those like very, very in the moment small I need to make a decision right now. And even there's the sense of like, what is the critical question? Is this critical enough? Is this important enough? Because I need to know like, right this second, I think that would be the Mars of astrology, like the urgency of, of moments like Harvey and also I guess inceptions. And the idea of like, casting charts for when you take an action and seeing where that goes. Yeah,

Kyle Pierce 35:51

well, like the just the outcome orientation of like, Korea in particular. It's like, yeah, you know, I want to know the answer to this question. What is the that's very Mars is just just the facts. Give me what I need. I don't want anything else. I don't want any superfluous.

Joe G. 36:07

Yes. Well, should

Kyle Pierce 36:08

I just want the answer to the question?

Joe G. 36:10

Give it to a lie when the war, you know, yeah, exactly.

Kyle Pierce 36:15

But it is interesting. How Mars will show up at like in the Kaldi in order. Starting like from Aries, right, you like the deck ends, you get, oh, Mars, Deccan, and then it ends with the Mars deck and something I was thinking about a lot because I've been working on this lengthy thing about Mars. And it's turning into specifically about Mars and exultation and fall, but how much Mars is relevant to the beginning of things as well as the end. Even think, like, the inception of a person, that their birth so much is like, their, their conception is a competition. It's, you know, one sperm against, you know, millions of other sperm all racing towards the egg and, you know, the one that gets there's the one that fertilizes and the rest, die. I guess in occasions, you get multiple implementations, but there being that, you know, struggle and strife and competitive component and so much astrology is sort of measuring, you know, what, this against that, you know, if, depending on the question, like, is the seventh house better situated than the first house, you know, that will tell you who's going to, you know, when this does, there's definitely a martial component to astrology and that sort of, with like a delineation, there's, you know, you're you're cutting out a bunch of potentialities, you're measuring things against other things.

Joe G. 38:00

Yeah. And I think to about how sometimes I forget, I want to cite this because it might not represent the entire Vedic tradition, but I think it was Dr. Dr. Shankar at a wall. So yeah, sounds familiar. Yeah, he, he wrote, well, they wrote, I don't know, their gender. But they wrote out the entire encyclopedia of Vedic Astrology, and there's many different books and that anti Uncyclopedia, but it's in the remediation one, I think that they mentioned something about Mars being related to math. And just like the the scrutiny that math requires is very martial. And I think about that with worry too, and passing lots, especially in like the, like, medieval tradition and how, like, lots were such a big part of party practices and, and things like that, and how it requires that my scrutiny and like, who is really the planet responsible here, I'm very, like sort of like managerial, like the general is trying to find the culprit was not working hard enough.

Kyle Pierce 39:19

Yeah. And math is very decisive. Like the questions that you answer are very definitively what they are, and to the exclusion of everything else. Like you literally can only have one answer. And, well, most mathematical equations, I guess you could get into math that I don't know how to do that has letters in it. And

Joe G. 39:44

my fiance is on those all. Like, this makes no sense. I do math without numbers.

Kyle Pierce 39:53

It but I always think of mercury as being tied to math because it's math is only one language. But I mean, you're always looking at, again, like you with any one topic or subject like you are going to have more than one planet involved in it, or you're going to have all the planets and just with different degree approaches. Yeah. But you get like, usually one that you can sort of put in the lead. Just increasingly how I think of like science, even. I was working on a night, kind of a dignity system. And we were talking about that before the show a little bit, how you're working on one. But it was like trying to rank each planet in each sign, like assuming that every planet has some kind of job in assign, but like, which one? You know, what's the least suited to assign? What's the most suited and there being sort of like an order? To some degree? Yeah, because, I mean, you can apply basically every planet to most things. And some of those things, will some of those planets will be better at at a given job than others? Yeah, but you can sort of work all of them into it. In theory.

Joe G. 41:12

Yeah, that's why I think it was important for us to walk through all of the planets and, and to see how all of them relate to astrology, because they all do, but Mercury is the astrology.

Kyle Pierce 41:27

Yeah, Mercury is

Joe G. 41:29

the manager of astrology. Yeah. And all the other planets are together. Yeah, they're, they're helping out there. They're the workers.

Kyle Pierce 41:38

That remind me though, we've still got to mention the outer planets, because they are very popular as rulers of astrology. Yes, I've heard all of them. And

Joe G. 41:49

yeah, they all have like a very, like a very extensive history of being linked to astrology. Yeah. And I think that, and I don't know how I feel about that. Because I think that a lot of it comes from people who liked the planet and started making that their focal point their astrology. And I think that that just shows that this is the kind of astrology that that planet does, but that doesn't mean that that planet rules astrology. Yeah. And I think it's a similar thing with like, you were in us, maybe is similar to how Saturn and Mercury would do astrology in a very, like, direct sort of clinical way. But once the Uranus there can be like sort of inoperative mind and yeah, the future and a lot of like the modern astrology that we see like what's his name? I always forget, the David Cochran with his vibrational astrology is very Uranian type of astrology and all of those sort of like how astrology goes through iterations of trying to become more and more scientific and they will pull apart like old pieces of astrology to create something new. I think that that's the maybe the role of Uranus in astrology as also like an outer planet and ruling like bigger, bigger chunks of time in history. They can be more of that, like, oh, we need to shake things up a little bit. So you can come up with new techniques. Like why not bring asteroids into the mix? Why not bring midpoints when I bring them? Yeah, bring them in? We think that that could be Uranus. What do you think?

Kyle Pierce 43:37

Yeah. I'm sort of regretting sexually Uranian astrology is probably one of the schools I know the least about. And I intended to do some research before recording this, but I didn't do that. But I'm thinking about in terms of

Joe G. 43:53

I think Ukrainian astrology is vibrational astrology.

Kyle Pierce 43:56

Yeah. Yeah, it might be I don't want to speak to it too much. Because I Yeah, well, most likely, you're wrong. But I was thinking about it in terms of how even like, Well, I still kind of put technology at least for most purposes in kind of the sphere of mercury to a large degree, those like rapid sort of sudden advances, you know, there's definitely Uranus having a strong relationship to that, and the way that technology has sort of, like I said before, sort of liberated liberated I guess, when to use that word, because you always want to use it with Uranus. But how because of technology, you know, poets and artists are able to do astrology as opposed to just scientists. Yes. Also, astrologers are kind of weirdos in terms of mainstream society, which there's definitely that Uranus component, but also astrology. readings can have a very Uranus kind of effect where they can evoke sudden changes in the person or sudden rapid insights. Even shift your direction in life. Yeah, I know when I got my first like really amazing astrology reading was like, oh like wow, I I must learn more and it definitely did end up changing my trajectory in a big way. But yeah, yeah I think

Joe G. 45:36

became an astrologer under a Uranus transit to not thinking about that.

Kyle Pierce 45:42

I'm trying to think of mine I don't know your honest transits are so long it's it's hard for me to find actually I don't know if I paid attention to Uranus at the time, but um where was it going with it? Lost my train of thought I'm already getting tired too. You're infected me? Your Yard? Okay.

Yeah, and then, Neptune. I've heard you associate with astrology maybe less often?

Joe G. 46:21

I feel like the No, I feel like I keep cutting you off you go first. Oh, no,

Kyle Pierce 46:26

I'm just gonna say like that. Yeah, I guess Astrology can sort of have that that mystical Neptunian quality and sort of dissolve the boundary between, you know, what, what we think we should be able to see and have connection with then. And you know, what's beyond, but it can also it can get rather muddied and confusing too. Especially when, when you're not using mercury and Saturn enough maybe in your astrology you can get very lost. Yeah. And you can get some pretty wild, wonky stuff. So I would say Neptune has a role to play in astrology. And while I, for me, when I registered to me that astrology, like worked, it was like a revelation or like it was like, it was it was like grabbing something out of the ether. And like, having it the whole, like, I got to, like, get a souvenir from, from the spirit realm or something. It's like this actually works. That means that there's something more to reality than what we can see and taste and touch. And that was game changing for me. But I almost want to say that the way that Neptune can be problematic for mercury, it can be problematic for astrology sometimes, where were you, when you grab too much of everything, and just sort of, you know, you'll get astrologers who it just sounds like they're using maybe a planet or transit to just talk about whatever they want to talk about. Which we can all do to some degree, I guess, like, you know, yeah, facilitator for a lot of different conversations, but when you're not really applying actual techniques or actual, you know, not having respect to maybe the lineage of it, when you're inventing your own stuff.

Joe G. 48:25

Yeah, cuz I think when you like earlier when we were talking about like Moon Astrology, and we talked about intuitive astrology, that's the kind of astrology that I would really attribute to Neptune as well. I guess now we can see how Neptune in them get mixed up every now and then. Because it can be it's one. It's that one modality of astrology, where you can't know if the practitioner is actually good until you have a reading. It's that Neptune mystery, like, can they tap into the mystery? Or can they not happen to the mystery? Do they need to know or do they not need to know? Yeah, because I know some crazy accurate intuitive astrologers who know barely any theory, especially like traditional astrology theory. And there's so great in there somehow can tap into that. Who knows how Neptune does? And that's one of the risks of, of Neptune. It's like not knowing you, like really can't know until you get here. And then when you get here, you will get more confused. Yeah. But maybe you'll come up with an answer.

Kyle Pierce 49:41

Yeah. Yeah.

Joe G. 49:44

Because Oh, no, no, yeah. Go for it.

Kyle Pierce 49:46

I think I was cutting you off that time. Oh, no, it's

Joe G. 49:49

because I was gonna say that we talked about earlier. I don't know if if we talked about this while we were recording it or not, but I'm working on that. I proposed dignity system for the outer planets for a talk that I'm giving for Cassini con coming soon. And Neptune was one of the planets that I was like, this makes so much sense, because basically, I'll give a brief if that's fine. I'm not gonna promise I'm not trying to pitch my own ideas. It really does go with this. Because basically, what I'm suggesting is the persecutor, the worship scheme. It's like thinking of the outer planets, as the gods of the gods and how and which God to praise to which God. And what I largely base it off of the theme on Monday. And of course, if we follow the thing on Monday, then we leave Neptune in Pisces, exactly where modern people think. But the way that I'm doing is that I'm also not just looking into Pisces, but to Jupiter as in like Jupiter trees to Neptune. And that's Jupiter's God sort of thing. And, and to then think of what the like, I guess, because there's always the opposition. So like, what would the detriment or the fall of this warship be like? And then you get to Mercury. And I was thinking like mercury, curses of Neptune. Oh, yeah. Like this can really illustrate why that would be the case. Because Neptune makes no sense. And for mercury, a planet that's supposed to make sense of things to interact with it. And I guess, to see how mercury is the ruler of astrology. And trying to think of how Neptune Neptune astrology would be like it would be, you'd think that it would be very challenging astrology because it's that kind of strategy that you can never really know. It's, it can be so poetic and so evocative. But it really, like the words themselves don't really matter. It's more so about that, that moment, and being in that like mystical space where, when you come back, you can't even explain what your experience was, because you just can't and think that, that that's a very good way to explain why this sort of like tension exists between Mercury and Neptune.

Kyle Pierce 52:21

Yeah, well, you get that often actually, with like, the opposite planet in any sort of relationship that they they do actually sort of play the sort of joint role on many, many important things. And that was thinking about how a lot of my introduction to divination and astrology even was through like, tarot readers and psychics, even who were pulling stuff knowledge from somewhere that I couldn't see. Somewhere that was, you know, very, that you could not point to as like, a source even. And I think, for a lot of the more intuitive astrologers that I know, there is a degree of where you're looking at the chart, but there's a degree to which it's just like what comes in, like the chart sort of helps you set the the parameters maybe gives you like a portal person? Yeah. And there's like a level of trust that I think that type of astrologer has to, like, oh, well, the answers will just sort of come, oh, portals opened, which I don't quite have. I'm a little more not at all. I mean, that will inevitably happen during a consultation, but I'm, yeah, to Mercury and Saturn before, wants you to know, like, I want to, you know, know as much as I can beforehand or rely on techniques and things that I can cite, for where I'm getting a piece of information from. But there's, you know, undeniably like a Neptunian component. And even just like a lot of the like, we didn't get to be there for like, how astrology was evolved, and how people came up with like, the whole system. Like at some point, it had to be somebody doing what we'd probably call now just like channeling stuff. Yeah. Sabian cymbals, which I don't particularly use, but was just, you know, who was it? I can't remember the name. Oh, basically just channeled the images from each degree.

Joe G. 54:26

Technology Mario

Kyle Pierce 54:29

might be about right. Yeah, it could be right. I don't know. But somebody did it. It was a group of people. Yeah, you've actually but then even when you're like studying the dickens to like you, they're describing images for all the decades and what are they doing other than like, they're not seeing the image in the sky. They didn't like find it in some tablet buried in the ground somewhere like they conjured it through connecting with you know, this symbols in the meanings of that slice of the sky, what it meant to them and the sort of collection of all those different images or all those different maybe channelings and into into into tations. Can you order for that stuff that we just sort of pulled out of the sky. And sort of forged into kind of science is there's undeniably that Neptunian component that, you know, some, at some point somebody has to reach into the midst and pull something out and make some sense out of it. Right. And I think yeah, I guess that's, that's gotta be the Neptune component.

Joe G. 55:47

Yeah, I don't think any other planet really does that. Yeah. That's really one of the things and I'm like, that's what we need Neptune for, ya know. But Pluto them again,

Kyle Pierce 56:03

Pluto,

Joe G. 56:04

which political for me is like the most easy like evolutionary astrology is just is so focused on Pluto is that it's like, that's Pluto's astrology. Yeah, and really, that sort of, like, mental alchemy sort of effort to transform and transmute and recycle, I guess. moments in life and really change and go through that, like, go through the depths and come back alive and explore the depths even and uncover things and these are like very they're things of the hearts they're not things of of matter. Really. So yeah, yeah.

Kyle Pierce 56:51

Yeah and Pluto, right like it is. I know that evolutionary astrologers sort of be treated as kind of that is almost like a the with Vedic Astrology we'll use the moon is sort of like a secondary ascendant. Yeah, I don't think I've ever heard an evolutionary astrologer say that about Pluto, but they are treating it kind of that way in the sense that it's like the focal point from which you read the rest of the chart. And this brings me back to that theme of like, what you're trying to get out of the astrology that you're doing it mean, is going to probably inform. Yeah, once you focus on what kind of planet you're using, or the energy that you're bringing to a reading, but there is also that theme around Pluto of being the what used to be maybe Saturn's role to some degree, but that sort of

Joe G. 57:43

took up 10 limit?

Kyle Pierce 57:45

Well, if you think of it as like the, in the sort of ancient G's ancient cosmology, you had the soul sort of descending from the heavens, or entering into the solar sphere, and pudo being maybe the first body that you in, maybe a modern scheme would enter through.

Joe G. 58:09

And that's kind of weird, though. Because like, now they keep adding more and more planets, because there's like, oh, man, oh, yes. And all of those. And I'm like, which one is the first stop?

Kyle Pierce 58:20

Yeah, well, it sort of shows up with like, Plutonian themes and stuff. And I just, we have to draw a boundary somewhere. And I guess I'm more open to the idea that that can change. You know, the first stop that the soul makes, yeah, maybe the stall soul can make multiple stops, or that can evolve. And that

Joe G. 58:41

is gonna get longer again. Yeah, yeah.

Kyle Pierce 58:45

But even just like Pluto, and like the idea of Hades and like the underworld and going back to the place from which you came, you know, when when you die, you go to the underworld, right? The afterlife, which is presumably where you come from, so,

Joe G. 58:59

but even in, like, what is it in Cobla? Studies, there's the rethinking about Chaldean order and things like nine, two, there is dots, like that space where it's emptiness and the void. And I think that all in my theories, all the outer planets belong to that sort of spirit. Like something like that space wasn't accounted for by the ancients. Like the soul does come from that nothing. Yeah, it just so happens that nothing is actually a lot more full than we anticipated. Yeah, there's a lot more things in there.

Kyle Pierce 59:35

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Is it nothing or is it a bunch of shit that we don't? Isn't doesn't belong to our

Joe G. 59:45

sphere? Yeah.

Kyle Pierce 59:49

But even just maybe thinking about it in those terms of the evolutionary component of Pluto and how it's a way that I tend to look at the outer planets more and more as sort of altering The sign and maybe even like changing it in a way changing the significations of that sign, or at least our experience of them in a way that could be, I mean, almost intuitively more permanent. Not that like Pluto going through Capricorn changes fundamentally what Capricorn represents. But like it kind of has to change our relationship with Capricorn least for a generation or several generations, while people who lived that's transit are still alive, which is inherently going to have like an impact down the line, which is maybe more of a digression on Pluto than I intended. But

Joe G. 1:00:43

no, but I think that if we're speaking of astrology and Pluto's role in astrology, I think it is like the fact that Shakeology does transcend these sort of times and these really long. Yeah, really long arrows. And yeah, like, if we're thinking about how astrology also has the power to transform fate even like those knowing your fate, does it allow for that mental alchemy to actually happen? And I feel like those are very, like lactone ik, or Plutonian. Questions like, can I? Can I actually recycle this? Or is this really just trash?

Kyle Pierce 1:01:28

By introducing this mutation into the organism, you know, will it Yeah, turn inside out and die? Or will it?

Joe G. 1:01:34

Yeah, similar to like with Uranus, and like, adding in the new things, and the asteroid and all of that. And I think Pluto also adds in the new but it asks a question that Uranus might not. If that is what it is that we still get to keep from the previous one. Uranus is just like, Fuck this. Yeah. But maybe Pluto was like, ah, what, what, what of this still belongs here? What can we take forward? Because I think if we're thinking from off Pluto in, especially in an evolutionary sense, it's that sense of like, evolution, what is what is the scale that actually helped me get here and we're probably will continue to, like, make me evolve. And what are those skills are that do not? Like, it's like the natural selection process, I guess.

Kyle Pierce 1:02:28

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I love that actually, natural selection. Because that is such a component of evolution. And I, there's so many themes that come up around Pluto that point to evolution and the way that evolution works in that like you sort of isolate maybe it's not exactly it, but like, you introduce a mutation, and you see if it works, fuck things up. Yeah. And then just kind of see, see, see what happens. And it's almost like, there's an indifference almost to Pluto. But yes, like a purposefulness, like where it is intended to reach a goal. A goal of what who knows but a goal of evolving?

Joe G. 1:03:15

Yeah, what survives corruption? Like that's, that's the good thing. Yeah, the thing, okay.

Kyle Pierce 1:03:22

Or you have to take something to an extreme to highlight what is and is not useful about something. Which I often find that I use that mode of thinking, in astrology a lot is like, in the way that it's represented. In a lot of ancient texts, like, you know, getting eaten by dogs, like how many people with the ruler of the 12th in the first are gonna be eaten by dogs? Probably not most of them. But yeah, there's something about that. That is maybe an extreme version of what it does represent and helps you understand what it does mean, but you have to kind of draw it to its most extreme incarnation in order to differentiate it from other things. That's why sometimes I wonder if Pluto is not more of a friend to mercury than maybe Uranus Pluto mercury to me seem to have more in common and a lot of ways in that like they both have something to do with extinction. Yeah, double Body Fitness. Yeah, I think we talked about this before. Yeah, it is a double

Joe G. 1:04:35

body planets. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce 1:04:41

Oh, getting off track. Yeah, there being something to drawing distinctions with Pluto and doing it in a way that is sort of messed up and painful and too much sometimes, but that can sometimes cause clarity.

Joe G. 1:04:59

I think Have it as the sun to, like Pluto's relationship to the sun. And, again, I'm gonna bring in my my talk, just because I'm like really deep in talking about if we, if we continue with Apple like thema Mundi scheme, then Pluto, of course, goes to Aries, not Scorpio. And then if we're thinking about, like, who prays to Pluto, then it could be Mars and the Sun because those are the two planets that have like really strong dignity in Aries. Yeah, and I really think about like spring and that like the, the, the drive that everything in life has to go to survive spring because spring is yes, it is the coming of new life, but it's also a very, like aggressive process and it's very competitive. It's like, cool gets to survive as

Kyle Pierce 1:05:53

a testing ground. Yeah,

Joe G. 1:05:55

so it to see the sun and thinking about like that with the sun too. And the whole combustion process and having planets like disappear and quote unquote, die temporarily and then come off of that process like reborn from the rays of the sun, like, like a new shiny sword sort of thing just coming off of the, the fire and I think that's that's a very Pluto Pluto thing to like that whole sort of like, the Phoenix sort of story is very interesting. So

Kyle Pierce 1:06:32

what and what is, in reality, our biggest source of radiation, like the end of the day, it's

Joe G. 1:06:37

the Sun Sun.

Kyle Pierce 1:06:40

It was like an artificial like, you know, the fusion in the fission in the ways we maybe try to replicate the power of the sun. But sun actually does, has that Pluto in its core, if you will, even though I don't know that.

Joe G. 1:06:55

And even historically, to if we think about Pluto, the God was linked to gold and precious things and anything that's below the ground and wealth. Pretty Trump all very Jovie not drove us solar words.

Kyle Pierce 1:07:13

And that's what maybe leads me back to mercury to a little bit with Pluto is that it? Has this relationship with all the planets that makes it hard for me to like decide like, Oh, which one does it pair best with? Or? Yeah, cuz it seems to draw something out of all of them in its own way, something intense and extreme that can kind of isolate the planet and set it apart from others. But I can't like link it to only being Mars like or only being Yeah, like one specifically.

Joe G. 1:07:54

And I like that you bring the sun Mercury thing too, because like, Mercury is tidally locked to the sun, like Pluto's moon Charon is also tidally locked to Pluto. Yeah, yeah. So it really is like that sort of like, like relationship. I think that Pluto, above all, is the planet of relationship and, like one of the planets of relationship, it's really speaks the internal versus external world. But I think if we're talking about astrology, going back and getting back on topic is that it can it can also be the astrology of building relationships with yourself and like really getting to know the depths of who you are. And I think that level of exploration is very gruesome because you get to face and see a lot of like, things that I frankly you probably hate about yourself and coming to peace with that. Is that sort of like Phoenix moment of the planet going through the Ximian coming out or whatever you know,

Kyle Pierce 1:09:06

yeah, well, there's like a death process to it as well. Like it is dispelling of illusions, even like about yourself and often you you know, learn the most about yourself either through extreme circumstances

where you're sort of set in contrast to something else, but often in relationships to

in relationships, like II, you know, you learn about yourself through what you are not, or the people show you even elements of yourself that maybe you didn't think were there based on like what they see in you or and I, like most people thought it was really cool when we found that Pluto had Heart, right? And right here, like weird twisted dimension to Pluto, which like the lord of the underworld, with a giant, you know, I don't know what actual color it is, but big red pink hearts.

Joe G. 1:10:12

So white heart. No, it

Kyle Pierce 1:10:15

might be like in contrast to like a kind of reddish like the red. Yeah. Yeah, but it's

Joe G. 1:10:20

hard to have ice.

Kyle Pierce 1:10:22

Yeah.

Joe G. 1:10:26

Cuz I don't know if you know, Pluto apparently has ice volcanoes, which Oh, yeah, the coolest things I've ever heard about. I think series also has nice volcanoes. Cool.

Kyle Pierce 1:10:40

I know. I want to know what to do with series and all this because I feel like series should be more relevant. And yet I still don't. Yeah, I've been trying to study. Look at its transits. And I don't know. But um, should have one final thing to add. Oh, yeah, I was gonna say that. It makes me think of like old cartoons where you have like the big mean bike bikers like Looney Tunes. And then you'd see that they have like a tattoo of like, I love mom or something on their shoulder, like, soft, gushy side, like, oh, Dylan's ultimately have I just watched the Joker recently, which is like an older movie. I think when they come out, maybe only eight years ago. The one with the newest one. Yeah, the one with Joaquin Phoenix. Yeah, Phoenix is

Joe G. 1:11:32

awesome in love with that movie. But that's besides the point. It wasn't like an

Kyle Pierce 1:11:36

objectively good movie. I found it interesting. Just because I like the villains side stories. I like villains. They're they're interesting to me. And I like when they're explored in more depth and nuance.

Joe G. 1:11:46

Cancer isn't in there. Capricorn seven Pat's.

Kyle Pierce 1:11:53

Me love you Saturn. No, there's something underneath that.

Joe G. 1:12:00

Let me fix you. Yeah. Cancer two, I just want everyone to know. Yeah, but I think we we made it we went out to

Kyle Pierce 1:12:20

planets. And I think we did a mini planets episode probably in the process. Yeah, we did. Yeah. But that's probably a good place to wrap it up. I'm realizing it's yeah, we spent over an hour on this.

Joe G. 1:12:32

I think I think we did. And I think we also give people a lot of resources to look at their own chart even. Yeah, look, I like that. Third, participating in word of your night class, and you which one that is and see a four a description of astrology matches how you experience it, or if you have any plan outer planets in your ninth house. See if what we said about the outer planets also has something to do with how you do or receive astrology. Yeah. Yeah. I'd love to hear what people have to say about this one.

Kyle Pierce 1:13:05

Yeah, you can. Yeah, please share your your thoughts like tell us what's going on with your ninth house and how you came into astrology. How you relate to astrology, how you use it, even. You can wait, you can tweet at either of us, right? I'm Kyle V. Pearson On Twitter, though. I know you're taking a little bit of a Twitter break right now.

Joe G. 1:13:27

Yes, I'm on Mars starfish. And I am not allowed to tweet until March of 2023. Message please make it a DM otherwise, I will not answer.

Kyle Pierce 1:13:43

Yeah, you can DM Jo G. What's your

Joe G. 1:13:47

Twitter my it's Astro Boy with an eye Joe G all together? And yes.

Kyle Pierce 1:13:56

You can also I forget. And I probably shouldn't put the podcast has the Twitter as well. And I will see it if you tag the astrology hotline and a tweet but you can also shoot us an email at astrology hotline pod@gmail.com You can also send questions there or just share your random thoughts. I will always be interested in those. Um, well, yeah. So shall we call it a day? I think sales podcast What do you got going on right now?

Joe G. 1:14:31

Well, I have Kazumi con coming up soon with my talk on a proposed rulership system for the outer planets like I've mentioned it a couple of times. Do I talk about what the talk is about? That? Yeah, so I've just done a lot of thinking about how to integrate the the outer planets and how the ancients might have done it. And that's kind of like my, my process through preparing for this talk. It was just like, I know that if the ancients knew about these plants, they would not think they're not doing anything. So yeah, how would they probably how would they implement that, and that's, that's been the thought that kind of guided me through it. And just trying to understand the outer planets was a little bit more nuanced, as opposed to just looking at them by by transit and and, like just saying, like, Pluto will do this to every planet, I'm very much interested in, like the the relationships between the inner planets and the outer planets and like, who gets along with Pluto, who doesn't and those sorts of like fun explorations and how to tie all that into the 12 parts and seeing the outer planets move to through the tough parts and using that as a way to dignify them in a way or another. So that's what my, my talk is about.

Kyle Pierce 1:16:09

It's really cool. I Do I Do I participate in participating or how do I get to view or listen to this?

Joe G. 1:16:19

I believe it's free. And you can follow them on Twitter. Give me a second I I think their handle is just gazini Khan. And if you search because they are probably going to find it. Oh yeah, their handle is at Kazumi calm, should be super easy. And the talk is happening October 21, and 22nd. I think I'm on the 22nd alongside a whole bunch of cool people. And yeah, beyond that astrology hub is working on their reading platform, and I'm super involved in the process. We're doing beta test. And I've been getting, I've been giving a lot of readings, unfortunately, I cannot open it up for the world. But soon enough, I'm thinking at around November December will be open for the world, and people will be able to book with me through them. It's been a great time. Definitely be excited for it. And that's what they've been up to and playing with AI image generation. Yeah, talismanic magic.

Kyle Pierce 1:17:35

Now it's a shame that you can't that you're not on the on the Twitter right now because you shared some of the your beautiful AI generated images. Yesterday and yesterday were amazing and I wish Yeah, they should be shared with the world

Joe G. 1:17:51

they will be shared. Right now I'm playing with like building my own style because you can feed your own artwork to the AI and learn how to make art like you know, wow, I'm taking that this mercury not Mercury Mars Retrograde especially as it rules my fifth house my 10th house to really like be behind the scenes and find my symbolic language and my style and the aesthetics of how I'm going to be making talismans but I definitely be excited because there's going to be a lot more for there's going to be some for sale soon because I haven't really done commercial talismans yet and this is a big help in making that a reality. So get excited.

Kyle Pierce 1:18:38

I'm excited I am waiting for you to start commercializing your talisman making because I don't have time to learn it yet, but I'm now that I'm learning the Dekins and like getting really deep into them I probably going to start experimenting with a little bit I'll have to pick your mind for advice though. I don't want to accidentally make a talisman that will.

Joe G. 1:19:03

That best learning experience and I say this for you and everybody is when you fuck up when you're talisman that ruins everything you're like, Oh, I get it now.

Kyle Pierce 1:19:12

I've already had to learn everything that way though. Can I think I can learn by now?

Joe G. 1:19:18

It would be great if we could. Yeah, I'm not sure

Kyle Pierce 1:19:22

what's gonna be the hard way. All right, well, what

Joe G. 1:19:26

are you up to?

Kyle Pierce 1:19:27

Ah, I am doing just lots of detail work right now. I'm trying to get my ace site like functioning right I've been flooded, boring stuff. It's not like fun sexy stuff of astrology. though. I am starting to do some writing. Should have some horoscopes coming out? horoscopes to be nice. I think I'm going to start doing just because we've been falling a little behind on regular episodes of astrology hotline gutem start supplementing with kind of a weekly forecast. I'll probably be shorter episodes but and other than that I am offering right now until Mars goes retrograde. So that is what Halloween offering 20% discount to listeners of the podcast. Thanks. Yeah, until till Mars goes retrograde. So let's jump in on that. That's, I can't remember the name of the the promo code that I made for it somewhere, but just look in the show notes, you can take that extra step, if you want to use it. That will that will be there. And, as always, you can book a reading with me, my website is Kyle Pierce astrologer.com. And if you want to learn how to develop a remedial practice, based on your birth chart, I am publishing some articles on that. But you can also get a reading with me and I will just say that that's like the focus you want. And I am going to probably teach you a bit about remediating your chart in any reading but I think taking the proactive approach to readings has really been making me happy lately. I like giving people stuff that they can do. Yeah. And I've been getting great feedback on it getting good results. So so don't let your your shitty Mars placement be the doom of your life. To take action on it. Yeah. Yeah, I think that'll, that'll do it. And yeah, thank you everyone for listening. Thanks so much for joining me again today. Jojje. Of course, of course. And see you all next time.

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