Venus Retrograde and the South Node
Tristan Paylor 0:05
Hello, and welcome to astrology hotline. The podcast where we answer your questions about astrology. I am Tristan and hosting with me today is Kyle Pierce. Hello. How are you today?
Kyle Pierce 0:21
I'm feeling a little sluggish. But really excited about this episode. Actually, I've been waiting all day
Tristan Paylor 0:29
to enthusiasm. So we just jump right in there.
Kyle Pierce 0:34
I mean, yeah, you know, in my mind, I have like this cool segue sort of like this is going to tie in so well, because I feel like the way I'm feeling lately has a lot to do with our first question, which is, you'll get to feel like as Venus is sort of slowing down, you know, I've been finding myself feeling like slowing down. And I'm really just like not wanting to do the things that. And I think I set up all these ideas, expectations of myself that were based on what I thought other people would like, or, you know, like my horoscope column, it's like a got like, halfway through. And I was like, See, I was writing it. And I feel like, you know, Whose voice is this? who feel like I'm writing horoscope columns that I read in the newspaper or something years ago, it's like, this isn't this isn't my voice, you know.
Tristan Paylor 1:28
And so now you're kind of figuring out the difference between what you actually want to do and what you think you're supposed to do or what other people expect or want.
Kyle Pierce 1:37
Yeah, precisely. And I feel like this will be a good time to get a sense of of what what it is I actually want to write her how it is I want to write horoscope column.
Tristan Paylor 1:50
Just funny because I've been going through basically the exact same thing with weird Venus slowing down and coming very close to my natal Mars placement. And I am in a this year, Mars is my time, Lord for the year. And I have Mars ruling my 10th house. So there's definitely it's it's been a big year in terms of figuring out like, what is my sort of role? And what is my relationship with the public, and I've been burning myself out, doing the things that I thought I was supposed to be doing, or what conventional wisdom dictates I should be doing in terms of running a business. And, you know, like this, the same thing you were describing with choosing topics to write about, for astrology, blog posts, and social media posts and choosing topics that I'm not necessarily as passionate about, but doing them because, oh, well, that's what gets likes, or that's what gets engagement. And yeah, yeah, that since Venus started slowing down, I've just been really kind of thinking like, No, I don't I don't want to. This is a subject that I have always felt passionate about and has always provided meaning for me. And I think passion and meaning are both very Venus topics. Yeah. So I don't want to undermine the sense of passion and meaning that I get from astrology. So I'm going to be like Venus and just do the things I feel like doing. And there will be people, you know, who liked those things. And maybe there'll be fewer of them than the people who would like stuff that has more mass appeal. But at the end of the day, I will be writing with my own voice, so
Kyle Pierce 3:50
yeah, totally. I feel like that's that is what Venus retrograde is all about. I feel like there's just no energy for, for the gratification for just doing things because it pleases everybody else is not. There has to be has to come from within has to be like real and authentic to yourself. And maybe we should read or yeah, maybe we should read our first question before we get more into this because I feel like many, many things to say on this
Tristan Paylor 4:23
topic. All right. I'm the one reading this. So the first question. Yes, you are. Me. So our first question for this episode comes from B. and B asks, what are the best ways to cope with Venus retrograde in a natal chart?
Kyle Pierce 4:44
Excellent question. Very, very relevant. Yeah. Yes, very topical. Should probably note that the day we're recording this, and hopefully we'll have it out relatively shortly. After recording it unlike our last episode, Oh, but it is December 17. And then one to 21.
Tristan Paylor 5:07
In two days, Venus will officially station retrograde on the 19th. So, yeah, we're right on the brink of the Venus retrograde. And by the time this podcast is published, Venus will be moving backwards.
Kyle Pierce 5:21
And I'm ready for it, honestly. Yeah, well, you know, to get to the question, how to cope with it, maybe we should talk a bit about, you know, what a Venus retrograde is what it means, generally.
Tristan Paylor 5:37
So, I think probably most people are familiar with Retrogrades. Because Mercury Retrograde is such a hot topic in astrology, the planets from time to time appear to move backwards through the Zodiac and sort of forwards. And, you know, to ancient sky observers, this was seen as a negative Omen, sort of like the planet was going against the grain of what the sort of normal order should be.
Kyle Pierce 6:14
Yeah, all planets do this, except for I mean, all actual astronomical planets go retrograde at some point. They don't actually go backwards. It just has to do with where they are relative to the Earth, and their own orbits in a given time. But I would say that Venus has a very unique retrograde cycle. In the sense that I think actually of all the planets, she spends the least amount of time actually retrograde. Because it's only about 40 days roughly, granted, you're going to be wanting to look at the shadow period, generally, which is like the period where Venus enters the degrees that she is going to retrograde back on and then have to retread again. So I mean, that whole cycle is probably a good what, three months or so, probably represents about 1/6 of total Venus Venus time is she's in that cycle, you know, for about 1/6 of the time, but only 40 days out of roughly, what, two years, a year and a half cent of the last Venus retrograde was in Gemini, or my Venus lives. And I remember that one quite well. And that was may think, last year of 2027.
Unknown 7:33
Right? Or am I right?
Tristan Paylor 7:37
I, I don't remember. So I'm gonna say yes.
Unknown 7:42
You're Vienna, you have a Gemini, Venus as well. You should
Tristan Paylor 7:45
write? I do. I
Unknown 7:46
don't remember. I
Tristan Paylor 7:47
don't remember last year very well at all. Together. Yeah.
Kyle Pierce 7:53
It was a weird year. Yeah. But the other thing about Venus is retrograde cycle is that it is very consistent. Like you can time you could set your watch almost to Venus retrograde cycles, and that they happen in the same points of the sky over an eight year cycle. And so basically over eight years, you get five, Venus Retrogrades. And if you were to draw them out, you basically get like a pretty symmetrical looking, five pointed star, or a pentagram and Venus would have gone retrograde almost exactly this time last will be eight years ago. So for people that have significant placement, I would say either in what 20 between 26 and about 10 degrees Capricorn. You can probably think back to that time, about eight years ago, and note, maybe a significant shift, or some significant, significant events around that time. I would say also people anybody with, you know, significant placements like an ascendant, they're in Capricorn between those degrees or in another cardinal sign, like Aries, Libra or cancer. So that does just seem to generally activate that area of your life. It's maybe a good starting point, I would say that Venus is significations change a bit during the retrograde cycle. But on a certain level, it's just it's Venus is spending a lot of time in that area of life more time than you know, she usually does. So you're getting a lot of attention from Venus, but slightly different kinds of attention.
Tristan Paylor 9:40
Well, I feel like in terms of terms of interpreting Venus retrograde in the natal chart, I feel like there's sort of two broad categories of topics I want to talk about. One being all the reasons why Venus retrograde is actually Great, even though it's traditionally been considered, along with any other retrograde placement to be sort of problematic. But I think there are a lot of strengths and there's a lot of wisdom to retrograde planets that we miss out on if we don't have the retrograde part of their cycles. But then, you know, on the other hand, the question is how to cope. So, you know, if somebody it's a, it's a balance that I find, I often strive for as an astrologer is that on one hand, you know, you want to have more constructive interpretations of placements, because they can often play out in a really constructive manner. But sometimes people do have experiences that are challenging, and those placements become symbols of that challenge. And so you also want to acknowledge that. So I guess, you know, broadly, I'd like to acknowledge both the strengths and the potential challenges of a retrograde Natal, Venus and how those challenges might be addressed. Yeah, I think on the positive end, both within the natal chart and you know, as a as a transit, that, you know, we're in the shadow period now, and we're coming up to the actual retrograde retrograde cycles do represent a sort of movement against the grain. And I find it interesting that planets moving forward in zodiacal order was sort of seen as like the natural quote unquote, movement of the planets, like that's what they're supposed to be doing. But who says that's what they're supposed to be doing, like from the planets point of view, going through these cycles is perfectly normal and natural, it's the human tendency to try to order everything in a certain way and need things to be done in a certain way in a certain order. And it it seems orderly to us for things to just continue to move forward. And, and make sort of regular progress in the same direction all the time. And it seems chaotic, from our point of view for things to then stop, turn around and go backwards. But that's really, you know, that's from our point of view, right? Like, we're kind of projecting our own desire for order onto the universe.
Kyle Pierce 12:26
Yeah, why can't we just have constant, you know, consistent progress, forward growth? How do they say in like, the corporate world is like, if you're not growing, you're dying, you know, retrograde period sort of reflect that, that the nature of say, growth is that, you know, the has to be curved at some point, you know, it can't just keep going in one direction forever, can't just be going in an upward direction forever. It has to be curved, at some point, you know, it's just not sustainable. Civilization kind of goes through these peaks and valleys. And I think that the retrograde cycles really reflect according to the different planets and their different natures. Just that natural process of you know, having a way of doing things, a system go forward with that system, it works, it works, it works out, but you hit a snag at some point, it doesn't, you know, at some point, circumstances or the environment have changed to the point where, you know, you need to reassess that system and update it upgraded. And I think that that is what retrograde cycles are, in essence about, maybe for Venus specifically, maybe the most obvious area is relationships. But it's more than just like your marriage or your romantic relationships. Venus is responsible for things that give us joy, give us pleasure, things that we desire, how we go about bringing more of those things that we love and desire in things that that pleases us. So, I guess it's going to depend a lot on you know what Venus's role is in your chart, you know, what sign and what house it's in, but what houses Venus is ruling where the Venus energy tends to be focused in your life.
Tristan Paylor 14:24
And I kind of think the, the call to action for someone with a retrograde Venus in their natal chart is, you know, like you were saying about how there is a point in any cycle of growth, there is a point at which you cannot grow or move forward anymore. And there is a point where a system is no longer able to adapt to changing circumstances and needs to be reworked. And that is what retrograde cycles represent is a point at which something needs to be reworked, which is inevitable for everything, there is nothing that just starts out perfect and just remains perfect forever and never needs to be changed and circumstances around it never, never require it to change, that's just impossible. So a retrograde is an inevitability that we all have to deal with. And I think the sort of call to action for Venus retrograde native is to be the person who reworks that system in whatever sort of area of life Venus represents in their chart, and, you know, Venus broadly does represent our interpersonal relationships, and you know, has a lot to do with love and romance. So there can be, you know, things like the institution of marriage changes and the way we structure our relationships changes. And there, even as circumstances change around us and create new demands and possibilities for our relationships, there are elements that don't want to let go of how things have always been done. But, you know, sometimes the way things have always been done just does not work anymore. Like in terms of marriage and relationships, you know, we, most of us living in you know, North America, are living in like very technologically advanced societies, we're not, you know, living on farms without electricity, the sort of circumstances of our lives have changed dramatically in the last couple 100 years. And so you know, what relationships look like a couple 100 years ago, that's not really sustainable anymore. And so, you know, the, the Venus retrograde job is to question those relationship norms, and experiment with new ways of structuring relationships and new ways of relating to each other. And that can be a challenging task to take on, because sometimes it requires, you know, butting heads with the status quo, you know, maybe the, the group that you're a part of your peers, or your family or whoever, you know, has a certain script for how relationships are supposed to go. And you question that, that particular scripts, or you're kind of being, you know, called upon by Venus to question that particular script, and that, you know, sets you against your peer group or your family or other sort of cultural institutions. But that that work is necessary for, you know, relationships to continue to survive and thrive.
Kyle Pierce 17:44
Yeah, definitely, you know, when you're in a relationship, you know, that relationship has to evolve with, not just you personally, but also, you know, with the other person that's in the relationship, you don't just land on a set of desires in life. And those just are static forever, you know, those change. And, typically, at some point, often turn around Venus retrograde cycle, you know, you sort of realize, like, oh, you know, I've changed as a person, and maybe the expectations of this relationship, the parameters of it, need to be restructured to facilitate this, facilitate the growth that I've experienced, that we have experienced, you know, with people. And, I don't know, that can be like, a really exciting time, even, you know, it doesn't have to be like, a shitty time, not at all, because I like to think of, like a cliche, but I think of like a 50s housewife or something, who, you know, makes breakfast for the family every morning and, you know, has the newspaper out for the husband and picks up the lunches and then makes dinner at night and does all the house cleaning and has, like, you know, this whole set of maybe responsibilities and duties that are built around a unified desire to have this idea of, you know, a happy home and family life. But, you know, maybe at some point that housewife wants to go to college wants to go out and work wants to do something different. And suddenly realizing that these set of expectations, you know, are not facilitating my new set of desires, and either a new set of parameters needs to be established or for that, you know, relationship isn't gonna work very well. Nobody's gonna be very happy.
Tristan Paylor 19:46
Hmm. Yeah, that's a really good point.
Kyle Pierce 19:51
I think that's maybe something to say about Retrogrades in general, too, is that I think in a lot of traditional texts, you get retrograde planets as being you know, weakened or debilitated in some way. But it's actually you know, the point in the that cycle that the planet is closest to the earth. It's usually the brightest as a star. And in the case of Venus, it's almost like the desires are more intense, you know, they're not ignorable anymore. This, you know, maybe new set of things that you want isn't something you can ignore. So, it just has to, can't go on doing the things that maybe you were willing to put up with before or willing to just sort of toe the line. Because Venus is very good at that, you know, very good at to a planet of relief, relating relationships and harmonizing making things fit, making yourself fit. But I think it comes to coping with a Venus retrograde, if it's got you like freaking out, it's, you know, you are half of any partnership, your needs and desires are important, you know, at least as important as the other person's. So making sure that you're happy in a relationship is important to that relationship working. So I mean, if your partner isn't amenable to compromising or doing things differently, you know, that's not your fault. And that's not necessarily something you need to fear, it's a good thing to know that your partner's not willing to compromise or that you have just gone in different directions.
Tristan Paylor 21:35
Yeah, I think flexibility is one of the keys to handling Venus retrograde in a natal chart. I mean, the sort of conventional Venusian approach to problems is to smooth things over and to, you know, bend over backwards for the other person. So that you know, you don't, you don't rock the boat, you don't risk making them upset. You know, you're, there's, you know, the sort of difficult side of Venus can be that giving up too much of yourself, for other people in order to keep the peace, and Venus retrograde cycles, kind of, you know, refuse to allow us to do that. That's, you know, the point where Venus has to sort of question that approach and go, Hey, that approach isn't sustainable. At some point, I'm going to snap under the weight of the burden of inauthenticity or giving too much at myself away. So you know, having relationships from the outset that have flexibility built like that everyone has expectations and relationships that's normal and healthy, but for flexibility and growth to be sort of built in to the relationship, rather than having expectations that are too heavy or strict, because I think like, some relationships are able to carry on for decades where, you know, there is a lot of inauthenticity in the relationship, and people are not being totally honest, or being totally themselves with each other, in order to keep the peace and the peace is kept. And so the relationships keep persisting, even though they're not totally fulfilling, but they go on and on and indefinitely. And I think Venus, you know, Venus retrograde can maybe indicate that, like, that sort of relationship is harder to to maintain that. Yeah, you know, the likelihood of reaching sort of a breaking point in a relationship like that is is more likely. And so, you know, seeking out relationships, that from the get go, there's a mutual goal of individual growth and fulfillment within the relationship where it's like, you know, if you decide to take a different direction in life, this relationship is built in such a way that it can survive, you know, if somebody's like, well, I'm going back to school and I'm picking up a second career, that doesn't totally throw the whole relationship off.
Kyle Pierce 24:08
Yeah, I think that you having Venus retrograde and Natalie, a little bit like traditional significations of Venus Retrogrades, they kind of get tied to Mars a little bit more, you know, it's a little more Mars, like, in a sense, in that, while Mars is much, much more individualistic, they both have sort of roles to play in desire, and seeking out you know, what one wants, Mars gets what it wants at, regardless of the cost, you know, just one track we're going there. We're getting it you know, getting it done. We're going to cut through whatever we have to to get to it. Venus, you know, it's a little more. Venus is retrograde. It's the desire nature is it can be more self focused in a sense of where at I think that Venus retrograde is very much more tuned into what it wants. And that can also sort of magnify the struggle of reconciling that with what somebody else wants. I know for me, I was born, not with Venus retrograde, but in the retrograde shadow, you know, Venus was slowing down, and it actually went retrograde by progression. I was about to what 2122 23. And I didn't know that that was happening at the time. But interestingly, I can like look back now and be like, oh, yeah, that's when I kind of went into a hermit mode for a while, like, I stopped going to parties and stopped. sort of hanging out with people for the sake of hanging out. Because I felt like it was what I was supposed to do. I felt like, Oh, I'm a young 20 something, and I should be going to parties and hanging out with people. And at around that time, it was like, becoming very aware of why I was going out and partying or whatever. And maybe just sort of coming to terms with the fact that like, I really just don't want to anymore actually don't want to hang out with this person, either. I want to hang out with this one. And it kind of resulted in a lot of people sort of going away, like not really having a ton of friends for a long period of time. And you know, there's a long period of figuring out like, Well, who do I want to hang out with. And I think that, you know, when it comes to, say coping with Venus retrograde in your birth chart, it's you know, you're gonna have to become very educated on relationships, and you probably are already going to tend to be
Tristan Paylor 26:44
I liked you were just saying really resonates with my experience of the current Venus shadow period, it's going through my seventh house. And Venus also rules my 11th house of friends. And one thing that over the last couple of weeks I've really been coming up against is the reality of social burnout that, like I I went through a very, like a period of intense social growth, where my social skills really improved. And I kept finding more and more sort of doors opening to different communities. And I was making friends more rapidly than I had before and like good friendships with good people. And now I'm going through sort of a, the autumn phase to that summer where I'm realizing that like, oh, I can only handle so much and socializing is not the same as downtime. So, you know, scheduling too many social dates is, is actually cutting into my my downtime, and just making me exhausted. And so now I have to kind of, you know, take a step backward a little bit, very, very important with Venus retrograde. And so you know, if you've, if you've got this sort of thing happening in your chart, you know, this can be sort of a cyclical experience, as well of, you know, continually recognizing that you're taking on too much. And, you know, maybe feeling like you're expected to take on more than you're able to like what you're saying with, you know, that sort of expectation when you're in college or university, and you're supposed to be going to parties all the time and have an active social life. And that's not actually what everybody wants, but that's the norm. And that's what's kind of expected of you and I think that's Venus wants to fit in. Yeah. And that sort of struggle against those social expectations is a big part of a Venus retrograde.
Kyle Pierce 28:49
Yeah, that's perfect. Yeah. And even with what you were saying is, you know, Venus goes retrograde when it's at its maximum elongation, where it's furthest away from the sun, you know, maybe it where it's like most in its own power, in a sense. But then it's like, yeah, you reach that point of like, whoa, took on too much, too many, too many friends, too many social obligations, and it's exhausting, it's draining. And I need to come back to center come back to me and make sure that you know, my needs are taken care of before I go out and try to make other people happy. And I think that is really at the heart of what having maybe Venus retrograde Natalie is going to indicate. But I mean, that also like, I feel like it just you get people who are a lot more direct about you know what they want, which can be nice, you know, it's not like oh, I want to go out to dinner. I don't want to go out to dinner when you you know, what do you want? Do you want Chinese food do you want when Japanese like the you know? Well, what do you want first? You know, like nobody wants to just declare what they want. Like Venus retrograde. Be like, I want this and maybe a nice, Venus direct will be like, okay, down with that. And then we we talked about this before that Venus Retrogrades. Natalie, like a lot of Fashion Designers habit, I feel like it's almost like a more authoritative sort of Venus. Because it has to because it has to, like stand in its own space because it is, you know, more emphasized and focused, because what, you know, your personal desires are probably going to be strong that you can't really crush them down and, you know, make it super easy to fit them in with everybody else, you kind of just have to be it be, you know, what it is that you want to be here, you know, declare your own sense of taste and style, and you know, the others will follow.
Tristan Paylor 30:47
Well, in this sort of cycles of fashion to where things are constantly recycled, I feel like we were interpreting somebody's chart a few episodes ago, and there was a Venus retrograde or certainly, and we were talking Yeah, we were talking about that. The way fashion also always looks to the past, you know, things that were fashionable in the past always end up getting recycled at some point in the future, you know, the 80s always comes back in the 60s comes back. And there's also this interesting phenomenon where clothing from the past is seen as sort of conveying a higher status over time. You see this a lot in history where you know, like the regular clothes of of one time period, you know, hundreds of generations later become the clothes of kings and queens, where it's sort of there's something about, you know, this older style that confers some kind of status, or there's something special about it, so that, you know, the symbolism of Venus looking into the past when they go retrograde, I think fits in with that sort of recycling and bringing things back. And sometimes we don't see the value of something without hindsight, you know, when we, and then you know, there's also the way nostalgia color's the way we value always we value things more when we feel nostalgia for them so that being able to appeal to people's nostalgia is a strength of Venus retrograde, I think it's like oh, yeah, I remember that, you know, the clear plastic purple Gameboy aesthetic, and like, I love that aesthetic in the 90s. And, you know, you appeal to that sense of aesthetic nostalgia and people and you create new things that, you know, get them excited all over again.
Kyle Pierce 32:34
Oh, yeah. Yeah. And it's with Venus retrograde. I mean, yeah, you get that like, backward looking focus, to some degree, it's almost like a reassessment of like, well, you know, I want something I can't quite nail it down, you know, what, let's look at like the whole palette of the world, you know, through time and see what, uh, what appeals to me and not needing to fit in so much. We're almost like fitting in not being making yourself fit in is not really an option almost, because it's just not going to be authentic and natural. But like Venus is also when it's going through the retrograde process, it's also going through, at some point, it's going to reach combustion with the sun, it's going to have that Cazimi moment, and it's going to leave the beams of the sun, but it's going to be in a totally new phase, it's going to go from either an evening star, it'd be visible on the horizon, after the sun has set for Morningstar, which is visible on the horizon in the morning for the sunsets. So it's going through this change of phase, this change of a really new approach to being Venus, but also the sort of purification kind of going under the beams of the sun. So it seems like a cleansing baptism by fire and incense, but there's a PERT of a purgative quality to it to where the you know, it's like purging out stuff that is useless stuff that is not, not in line with this new sense of what Venus finds to be beautiful, what you know, this new harmony that Venus is working out. And sometimes through that process, figuring it out, you know, there's it can look a bit like seeking out conflict, like it's some degree or testing, you know, testing relationships, testing to see if this relationship you know, can stand conflict testing to see if you're actually a good match or not, as opposed to just moving things over.
Tristan Paylor 34:37
Like being willing to sort of put something hold something to the fire. Oh, see if it will actually last. Yeah, it's, it's, you know, the Retrogrades are always part of the synoptic cycle of planets, which is, you know, their their relationship with the sun. And so you know, if you have a Venus retrograde and your natal chart, it's part of that like big transitional phase. So if you know that Venus retrograde is prominent in your chart that's really kind of trying to get your attention that like whatever area of life Venus represents in your chart is a major area of growth and transition for for you in this lifetime. That's sort of like holding things to the fire and testing various things out, which can be kind of dramatic. You know, like a lot of sort of dramatic changes going on in the area of life that Venus represents in in the chart. I think another important key with retrograde planets that can be challenging is like sometimes they can symbolize the ways in which old patterns in our lives seem to keep replaying, no matter how much we we grow or change. They're certain habits that just they're really hard to break, or we seem to, we enter these phases of growth. And it seems like we've made so much progress. And then at some point, it feels like we've taken a step backwards. And we've just fallen right back on our old habits. Yeah. And it's, you know, something that everybody experiences, but retrograde planets can really act as sort of pointers to make you think about those experiences and the areas of life where you tend to experience them. And you know, the most obvious with Venus would be you know, your hobbies, the things that bring you pleasure, your relationships. But where Venus is in your chart by house, we'll also talk about other specific areas of your life as well, where you might, you know, feel this, you may really feel that experience of like, going getting so far and then kind of going backwards. And I think something that's important to remember about these experiences is that change and growth are not like a linear forward motion. things tend to happen a little bit more cyclically, or at least in a way that isn't so linear. I've seen a really good comparison between sort of, like personal growth and the seasons of the year, if you live in a place where there are four seasons, in the spring and summer, there's this sort of rapid period of growth, and then in the autumn, it seems as if a lot of that growth dies away. And then in the winter, there's sort of a period of contraction and shrinking back. And that's how those phases can feel. But what you don't always notice is that, like, all the growth, that happened during the spring, and summer actually hasn't been undone, you're still you haven't actually gone as far backwards, as you think you have, you've still actually grown quite a lot. You know, and it's only in those sort of spring and summer phases that you really notice it, but in those fallen winter phases, it feels like you've gone back farther than you actually have, it's like, if you look, if you measure the growth of a tree, you know, even though it's its flowers, and leaves fall away, you know, it's its branches and roots are bigger and stronger, its trunk is stronger and wider. It has more growth rings than it had, you know, in the previous seasons. And it's easy to miss that when you're in a winter season. So I think maybe one of the sort of keys to coping with Venus retrograde is, you know, whether it's in, in your relationships, or you know, the things that you do for fun, or if it's, you know, other areas of your life that Venus specifically represents in your chart, if in those areas of life, you feel like oh, I keep replaying the same pattern, or, you know, I get I get into relationships, and it feels like things will be different this time. And then the same old things keep coming up again and again, is like it's a frustrating experience. But if you're not like very carefully tracking, the way things change, you miss how much you have actually grown.
Kyle Pierce 39:12
Yeah, I love that. That's perfect. Thinking about how, similarly with mercury is that the sun moves very steadily, you know, one degree a day, pretty much more or less, very steadily throughout the year. It's always the steady progressive movement forward. Doesn't go backwards ever. But Mercury and Venus, they'll, you know, move faster than the sun, you know, they'll kind of get out ahead of the sun. And then, you know, they get too far and they're like, oh, I have to overshot. Yeah, overshot a little bit, and go like what you're describing, I mean, pretty much ties into just the way that growth and change work and that experience of like, expansion and contraction, but they're still being the steadiness. that expansion contraction is part of steady, forward progress.
Tristan Paylor 40:06
Well, it's part of sustainable progress. Yes, I think we, we go through these sort of growth spurts in our lives, and we feel like everything has changed, I'm never going back to the way things were like things have changed for the better. And this is a brand new life. But that level of drastic change is very frightening, it's a big shock to the system, you know, in the part of you that consciously really wants that and is thrilled about it might not recognize that there are other parts of you that are perhaps subtler, more unconscious, that are resistant to that change, because they see it as as unsafe. And so, you know, there are parts of you that may kind of pull back as a reaction to drastic change, which, you know, maybe it's sometimes why, you know, it feels like, Oh, we've moved forwards so much. And then some of the same old patterns start repeating, it's because those old patterns were safe, like they allowed us to survive, you know, we engaged in those patterns for a reason. And so those parts of ourselves that are self protective, and trying to create some stability are sort of, you know, creating a bit of that contraction. Yeah. And that that can actually be a positive thing, because we can overshoot right? Yeah, like Mercury and Venus flying so far out of the sun, and then, Oh, heck, we've gone too far in this direction. And, you know, we don't really know how, like, we haven't mastered a bunch of these skills yet. So we don't really know how to live this entirely new life yet, because we're still learning these new skills. So we need to actually like, fall back on our old skill set a little bit as we learn how to use these these new skills properly.
Kyle Pierce 41:50
Yeah, that's sort of a good thing, that we're not capable of that sort of rapid, sudden, or total, you know, change, I don't know, it's like your body knows, you know, how much change it can handle. And your body is always like, looking to homeostasis. And I can work against you sometimes. Like, I can end up using massage analogies all the time, but you know, it's like, you know, it's a, just like a bundle of contracted muscle fibers, you know, they do that, because they're adapting to your circumstances, and undoing that is really hard, you know, you get the the not to release, but then you tend to decline and go back, because that's what your body knows. And it's adapted that for a reason. So it takes more consistent, long term change, it's a think of like addiction, you know, you're trying to get over something like alcoholism, they say that, like relapse is part of the process of recovering from addiction, it's kind of having to fall back on, on that kind of over and over again, until you, you know, slowly change over time. And actually, I think it's a good segue into noting the dark side of Venus retrograde, with the sort of intensification of Venus is desire, when it's retrograde is it sometimes you know, can it can use some versus means to get what it wants, or it can get really fixated on certain pleasures. And that can be problematic in some way. So I mean, that that can be, you know, it might be more inclined to use, like coercion, to get something that it wants, some be something to consider or have awareness of, if you have Venus retrograde natively or even during a transit, Venus retrograde, you know, maybe take into consideration the sorts of desires you have, and if you're going to extremes to, to achieve them.
Tristan Paylor 43:59
And that's also planets also represent other people in our tribe, they don't only represent you, so, difficult placements, you know, sometimes it can be something, you know, internal, a bad habit or behavior or pattern that we tend to struggle with, but it can also be external, it can be, you know, somebody who behaves like that, you know, like Venus retrograde, you know, maybe in the seventh house or the 11th house, where you meet other people could represent people like that people who are kind of coercive or manipulative in your life and sort of, you know, watching watching out for those patterns of behavior and other people, you know, learning to recognize those.
Kyle Pierce 44:46
Absolutely, yeah. Glad you emphasize that because that is a huge component. And granted, you know, all the planets end up having influence on your character because the people around you have influence on you know, who you become. So I mean, if you're dealing with lots of But like that, you know, don't be like them and know how to deal with them how to how to get rid of.
Tristan Paylor 45:09
Yeah, I mean that's that's one of the potential uses of Venus retrograde simply because it spends like transiting Venus retrograde because it spends so much time in a particular sign. So it's going to spend a long time in a particular part of your chart. So that can be, you know, symbolic of an extended opportunity to, you know, set up new boundaries and, you know, Venus retrograde kind of questioning who is in your life and why they're in your life and whether or not they should continue having a place or life.
Kyle Pierce 45:49
And just gaining a lot of insight on specific set of relationship dynamics. You know, you can become like an expert on relationships in general, but just like, yeah, certain patterns of behavior, how to deal with them to be a good, give good advice to others who are maybe dealing with similar situations. That we want to move on to our next question, or do they all say on Venus retrograde? There's a lot to say on Venus retrograde, obviously, but
Tristan Paylor 46:18
I could keep talking about Venus retrograde forever, but I am good to move on to our next question.
Kyle Pierce 46:27
Yeah, we have a hard stop today. So can't go on and on and on.
Tristan Paylor 46:32
We have to stop rambling at some point. Yes,
Kyle Pierce 46:37
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Tristan Paylor 49:11
I think maybe I do I do have a lot to say on the south node and its relationship to to past lives. And I also agree that you know the answer as with a lot of things in astrology is it depends. Because there are there is one major school of astrology where you know, past lives are very important in the south node is very significant, which is evolutionary astrology. But it really depends, you know, what school of astrology do you follow? And you know, what is your philosophical view on past lives? But I think maybe before getting into that we should define some terms. Define what the nodes are. Before I define what the nodes are. I'm going to define what the ecliptic is because this is An important piece to understand for everything in astrology. But definitely to understand what the nodes are is to understand what the ecliptic is. And the ecliptic is the apparent path that the sun traces out in the sky over the year. From our point of view on Earth, it looks as if the sun is moving through the sky. Of course, we know now that the Earth moves around the sun, but that is still how it appears to us. And that path that the sun takes through the sky is called the ecliptic. And the signs of the zodiac through which the sun moon and planets move are all along this belt around the Earth called the ecliptic. And the reason it is called the ecliptic is that when the moon crosses this plane, we have eclipses. So the nodes of the moon are the two points where the path of the moon crosses the ecliptic. And, you know, when the sun and the moon meet up at one of the Moon's nodes, you will often have an eclipse and that's where a lot of the the symbolism for the notes comes from. Is there a role in eclipses?
Kyle Pierce 51:17
Yeah, yeah, it's probably worth noting that the, the north and south node are very, they're the the moon's nodes. They are, in a sense, the poles of the moon. Is that true? Or is it? Well did. I know sometimes I have a hard time conceptualizing and but it is, it's, you know, the, they are the Eclipse points. And they are based on the moon.
Tristan Paylor 51:42
The the North Node is where the moon crosses the ecliptic into the northern hemisphere. So it's the ascending nodes, the moon is moving up. And then the south node is the D ascending node. And that's where the moon's path crosses the ecliptic into the southern hemisphere. But like the moon's path doesn't
Unknown 52:01
line up. I never fully got that.
Tristan Paylor 52:04
Kind of, it's like, where are those two circles intersects? And one is moving north and one is moving
Kyle Pierce 52:10
south. Yeah. I never fully grasp that until the point that Tristan
Tristan Paylor 52:19
it's a lot easier to understand if you have a visual, you know, as as usual, when you're trying to explain the astronomy stuff on a podcast with a video, it's a little challenging. So I recommend, you know, if you're still trying to figure out what the heck the nodes of the moon are, you know, look up a visual representation of it, and it will become very clear what's going on.
Kyle Pierce 52:38
Yeah, well, that was a really good description. But we do we want to talk a bit about the South Node, just a little to get a sense of maybe why it gets tied in with this idea of past lives. Yeah, for sure. Find the node very interesting personally, because you get very different interpretations of what they are, or what they mean, kind of depending on what school of astrology you are dealing with, like traditional Hellenistic astrology, they're kind of given those, they're pretty simple, seem relatively simplified, compared to, say, Vedic Astrology, where the North Node tends to signify the increase or amplification of things, while the South Node tends to signify the decrease or elimination of things. And in Vedic Astrology, the North Node, they're sort of treated like planets, in a sense.
Tristan Paylor 53:29
They're like shadow planets, kind of even though they're the object there. So it's sort of like they're the shadow of something.
Kyle Pierce 53:35
Yeah. But they are, they're a thing in a sense of conceptually, is that they are, they're almost like bodies, but they're their shadows, you know, they they, you know, have an impact and material impact, because they are these Eclipse points. And they're referred to in Vedic Astrology as the Rahu and Ketu. The north node of the Rahu and the south node is key to and I tend to look to a lot of the Vedic significations to get some when it comes to interpreting you know, the notes in general. That one 2% I'm interested in all of it, I like it all. But the south node or key to it has this connection with the past but also, they say in delegates, the key to is is disembodied, it's ghostly, smoky and foggy think they're both sort of described as gods and two has fierce red eyes. Spooky. It's kind of Yeah, the south node is kind of a spooky, not planets, but I'm gonna call it a planet just for conversational reasons. But it's a ghostly body tends to make things sort of disconnect them from the material world. And think you can that you can kind of get it of past laziness, when you just think of it as sort of this ghostly object, or this sort of disconnection with the present material world, combined with its sort of past focus. And in Vedic, it's also the nodes are associated with illusion, you know, because they are eclipsing points, you know, they, they block out the sun, or the moon, depending on what kind of Eclipse it is. And, but it isn't a sense, you know, the Moon or the Sun aren't going away, they're just being obstructed. You know, it's kind of like a smoke and mirrors sort of show that occurs in the sky. But the North Node is associated with the, they were put, it's like the illusion of the future. And South Node is the illusion of the past. And the illusion is that, you know, neither of those actually exist anymore. We live in the present moment, there is no actual past. There is only so much past as it has an effect on what's happening now. And similarly, you know, the future even maybe more so. This is the the future doesn't exist as its own thing. It's, you know, something that has yet to be and they're very tied to the moon and the moon significations and the moon has to do with memory. So it has to do with you know, bodies and physical incarnation. So I can really see how a lot of systems of astrology look to the south node for study of past lives.
Tristan Paylor 56:37
Heather's so evolutionary astrology, which is a modern tradition, which I think originated in the 70s, maybe at two of its major figures, or Stephen forests, and Jeffrey Wolfe, green. Yeah, that is a school of astrology that explicitly affirms reincarnation and the existence of the soul and affirms that Astrology can be used to, you know, assess the past, present and future sort of trajectory of an individual's soul. And so evolutionary astrologers will use the birth chart to, not necessarily to, you know, specify that, you know, you were this exact person in a past life, but to, to kind of dig into what in previous lives are you still is your soul still carrying, that is unresolved, that needs to be or at least wants to be resolved in, in this lifetime. And the south node is both the north and south nodes are used as an important part of that assessment with the South Node representing the past and sort of what you need to let go of in this lifetime. Yeah, so it's not precisely who you were in a past life. It's one of the stronger indicators of who you were in a past life and evolutionary astrology, but the entire chart is looked at to determine sort of what you're bringing into this life from your past lives. So the south node is a very essential component of who you were in the past, but it's not the only one like every single placement in your birth chart will be looked at by an evolutionary astrologer to figure out okay, what are you carrying in from your past life? And I think in in life, I don't think I know and, and Stephen Forrest book, about past lives in, in evolutionary astrology, called yesterday's sky, he makes that link that you just made Kyle between the moon and memory, where he says, you know, like, every technically every planet like every celestial body orbiting the Earth of the Sun has nodes, like it has points at which it crosses over the sun, the ecliptic. But the reason that the moon's nodes are used in evolutionary astrology is that the moon is linked to emotion and that profound emotional experiences are the ones that tend to reverberate throughout lifetimes. So you know, if something really emotionally impactful happens to your soul and a past life, that's more likely to be carried on into the current life and need to be resolved.
Kyle Pierce 59:26
I mean, that all like it makes sense to me. And actually, it was like I was really attracted that kind of astrology early on, I just I, for my purposes and for you know, what I feel personally, like, confident and authoritative about what astrology is not, you know, talking about past lives. That being said, you know, I'd love to get like a past life reading be interesting, you know, be cool.
Tristan Paylor 59:49
I wasn't I wasn't like, it was never something I was really drawn to and till we were asked this question, and I started, you know, reading A bit of yesterday's sky and looking more in depth into evolutionary astrology. And I was like, I don't know, like, whether or not I strictly believe in past lives, but I'm open to it. And I'm very curious about how that exploring, you know, the, your soul's past, as it were intersects with astrology, like I'm getting more and more curious about that
Kyle Pierce 1:00:21
I, you know, lean in the direction of reincarnation, like makes sense in some form or another. And it would make sense that, you know, if we were being reincarnated in multiple lives, that our charts would somehow reflect that, or, you know, be reflections of a continuation of the karma, we'll say, from, you know, a past life. And you know, the South Node makes sense to me in that sense. And even just the way that we treat the south node, even in a lot of modern astrology, I find interesting because we ignore it. Actually, it's not even in a lot of charts like in Astro.
Tristan Paylor 1:00:59
Yeah, the default the default astro.com chart is just shows you the North. Yeah, it's interesting. It's always it's like it shows you that yeah, Sunday. And I guess I'm thinking of a whole sign charts where that's relevant, you're always going to see the descendant in a placidus chart. But if you're looking at your chart, and whole signs, like, you know, the midheaven will be clearly labeled in the ascendant will be clearly labeled, but where's the descendant and the, the inner heaven? And you'll see the North Node clearly labeled, but where's the south node? It's like, we're so focused on moving forward and upward and being visible and not with what's past? Or what's internal or interior?
Kyle Pierce 1:01:40
Yeah. Well, it's so much I mean, it makes sense that north node is so much more compatible with Western culture is there just more more of this and expansion, you know, speaking of maybe expansion a bit, we were talking a bit about that with Venus, this idea that the North Node has to do with expansion, but one of the ways I've heard it put it is that while Jupiter expands things in a solid way, you know, that there's substance behind the expansion Rahu, or the North Node, kind of blows things up like a balloon, that will, you know, inevitably explode, explode or collapse. Yeah, you know, it's the expansion that the North Node creates. It's not necessarily the long lasting nature. And the south node is more. It's almost kind of like, there's like a compost heap. I know, that's hard to like, talk about the South Node without me because we don't like the words, you know, I've used the term, if North Node is the head of the dragon, the all consuming head of the dragon, the south node is the dragons asshole. And that's not a perfect analogy or description of what the south node is. But there is a sort of heaviness to the south node, and a lot of Vedic Astrology, and in how I've seen it show up in class serial killers charts, the south node can be rather harsh. It's rather thinking about the way that we tend to maybe naturally want to treat things in our past, we want to move away from like trauma, you know, there's sort of a kind of wanting to just, like, leave it buried in the past. And I feel like there is that component to the south node of like, sort of old trauma that sort of like being turned over, you know, like, um, like, worms will. You know, if you make a compost heap, you know, you put a bunch of worms in it, so that they, you know, eat all the garbage and they poop it out. And eventually you get soil. But it's sort of like where things are sort of fermenting, but sort of maybe decaying as well. I know it's a complex one, the South Node,
Tristan Paylor 1:03:59
there's, yeah, there's a really good piece of writing by an astrologer named Curtis Manwaring, who runs a website on traditional astrology called the last horoscope X Files, and he actually wrote a Hellenistic case for the evolutionary astrology approach to the north and south node. So it's, it's cool. It's like a very cool sort of multidisciplinary, look at the nodes and they're sort of spiritual meaning and how they might be symbolic of reincarnation. And it's, it's a pretty lengthy article, but to have the sort of fundamental comparisons he makes. One is to overlay the exaltations of the nodes on to the thema Mundi. And the theme of Monday is a chart that just you know, shows you where all of the planets are placed by dama Sounds like they're signs of rulership. And in the medieval tradition, the north and south node are actually given signs of exultation. I think Albert Rooney, there's part in his his text about them being exalted in Gemini and Sagittarius. And I'm not sure exactly what the rationale is for the nodes being exalted in particular signs a different traditions do differently. Like I think in Vedic, it's actually Taurus and Scorpio.
Kyle Pierce 1:05:31
Yeah, for that, too. It's the South Node in Sagittarius and
Tristan Paylor 1:05:35
the North Node in the north in Gemini. So if you place the South Node in Sagittarius where medieval astrologers said it would be exalted, and you place that into the thumb on Monday, the South Node actually falls into the sixth house, and the North Node falls into the 12th house, and both of those houses have to do with death and rebirth. And the sixth house in particular has to do with the death of the body. So that, you know, the south node would become associated with the death, the place where you know, the body becomes sick and is on the boundary between life and death. Yeah, and in in this article, Curtis Manwaring also talks about how the south node because that is, the place where the moon is, is moving south, it's moving below the sun. The South Node is the place where the sun is elevated above the moon, and the sun represents the spiritual and the mental plane, whereas the moon represents the physical plane in the body. So when the sun is elevated above the moon, you have the death of the physical and sort of the elevation of the mental or spiritual plain. So there's a lot of a lot of symbolism to play with in there in terms of this sort of cycle of, of the soul and the body, and then becoming separated and united and one being elevated above another. And all of that symbolism fits in really well with a you know, metaphysics where the soul goes through a cycle of leaving the body, and sort of just, you know, returning to the spiritual plane and then entering the physical plane again, and a new body and this cycle sort of repeating itself over and over. Yeah, ya. Yeah, it does, it does. There's a lot of symbolism to the nodes that really does fit in nicely with that idea. And it's cool that you can, you can actually sort of come at it from various traditions, and there's symbolism that fits with you know, the idea of a transmigration of souls being connected to the nodes.
Kyle Pierce 1:07:45
Now, that's really interesting, because even you know, the symbolism shows up with the than being eclipsing points, and the sun, you know, the sun can flip the spirit in a sense and the moon being the body, the physical incarnation, and the nodes having the power to eclipse those things to block them out, you know, erase them. But I know they're also I mean, directly associated with past lives, per se, but being eclipsing points, they're given very, like anti authoritarian, anti authority significations in Vedic Astrology, which I find very interesting because it's actually one of my new favorite ways to look at the nodes and charts. Can't remember who it was now, because like Cara, who's like a tropical Vedic Astrologer basically tied the south node to punk rock. Which is really interesting, because I mean punk rock is and South Node kind of have this sort of scavenging salvage G um, quality like
Tristan Paylor 1:08:49
recycling garbage kind of thing like punk fashion was all a bit just like holding your grip up close together with safety pins, and yeah,
Unknown 1:08:57
yeah, exactly. He's
Tristan Paylor 1:08:58
very south node.
Kyle Pierce 1:09:00
reveling in the dirt in the filth, you know, in kind of that that's very South Node South kind of likes to likes to get there. But the first thing that came to mind, I was like, Alright, I gotta test this out now. And Sid Vicious came to my mind. And it's had to look at his chart. And he has the south node right there in his first house. Which is in Scorpio. North Node is in here, sorry, the North Node is in his first house, which kind of seems very wild and boisterous sort of character. But his son is exactly in Taurus in the seventh house on the south node, and
Tristan Paylor 1:09:44
they're both at 19 degrees. The south node and the sun are both at 19 degrees of Taurus. They're like three minutes apart. They could almost not be closer together. Yeah.
Kyle Pierce 1:09:55
No, that's like it's perfect for for him. Self notice. Yeah, it's kind of like fuck everything. You know, but it's it's grungy, it's you know, but the North Node, see, I have the North Node on my midheaven and the south node, right on my, my IC. So I'm trying to learn as much about the north and south node from different traditions, because they're really not, you know, in traditional Western astrology not really fleshed out very well.
Tristan Paylor 1:10:26
Now, they're mostly just seen as bad news, like the best you get is like, oh, you know, some writers, some writers will say the North Node at least can amplify been effects and the south node can minimize malefics. And then some reason, just like the nodes are just awful. Yeah, Valens really did not like the south node, he was just like, dude, if anything's near the south, they would just like, hide. Yeah, he clearly had some kind of bad experience while there was an eclipse going on, or something was near the south node. And he was just like, now.
Kyle Pierce 1:10:57
Which is why I'm like trying to get like better, just more broader perspective on the notes and what they really do. Yeah. Because I don't know, for personal reasons, but also, I just want to know what they really do, because I tended, that scared, scared of the notes, things sort of rubbed off on me, but I should kind of love the nodes and really fits in with where I operate in life, which is, you know, a never take any one's authority for granted. Unless it can be problematic sometimes. But yeah, I mean, I know the north node can last just wants to contradict, you know, whatever. Whatever's you know, established, authorities are saying is true, the North nodes like, wants to complicate it. And you know, the North nodes very associated with material things, while the south notice is D materializing.
Tristan Paylor 1:11:48
And that makes sense to with the, you know, the South Node being the place where the sun is elevated above the moon. So spirit is elevated above the material. Yeah, it's versa with the North Node, that material is elevated above spiritual, which does it, it does kind of fit in with like, you know, the North Node sort of represents the direction you're headed in this life. It's like this current earthly incarnation. Yeah. Is represented you know, this is the place where the moon is elevated over the sun. This is your current incarnation. This is the body that you are in now. And this is what you're sort of supposed to be doing. Oh, yeah. That's if that's the the belief system that you follow, then that symbolism definitely fits. Yeah. And also just like the, the nodes are very symbolic of, of death and rebirth just because they are the Eclipse points. And there's, you know, you don't really need to explain why eclipses are evocative of death and rebirth. Yeah. light goes out the overturning and the light comes back. Yeah, some something is overturned and something new replaces it. Yeah. They're sort of they're very apocalyptic. And so you know, you guess you could think of the death of a body and the rebirth of an individual soul as being sort of like a mini Apocalypse on a very small individual scale.
Kyle Pierce 1:13:06
Absolutely. And actually, one of my favorite examples of not everybody dies on an eclipse, you know, or was born on an eclipse, but you have sort of Cosmos I did on John Wayne Gacy, we kind of centered around and being born on a South Node Eclipse, and then dying. He was executed on the day of the south end of the eclipse looks like conjunct Saturn in his chart, and Saturn having to do with like punishment, and some times or consequences of one's actions. And I didn't get into this in episode but it got me thinking about this idea of reincarnation and the nodes and whatever. You know, what does John Wayne Gacy is, you know, incarnation life path like I don't know what that would indicate for his next life, but probably nothing nothing great.
Tristan Paylor 1:13:59
And I think we can probably confidently say he did not get whatever he was supposed to be doing in this life if we're using that model, you know, where souls kind of you know, have to learn lessons and resolve issues in each subsequent life. I don't think that he was successful. Yeah, particular lifetime.
Kyle Pierce 1:14:21
I mean, it depends on what you're supposed to be successful at. I guess the Vedic the south node. Bears weapons. Right. And hence, why do you kind of get the punk rock thing with the spiky shoulder pads and shit like
Tristan Paylor 1:14:34
that like Christmas sharp bikes? Yeah. On all your jewelry and
Kyle Pierce 1:14:38
yeah. This shirt has Venus and Taurus, right near the south node to
Tristan Paylor 1:14:45
like South Node aesthetic, where it's I mean, that's an interesting thing is that like, he was very much an aesthetic icon and a fashion icon which is very Venusian it suits somebody who has a bunch of planets in Taurus. Like Sid Vicious did in his chart, but it's that like rebellious, trashy, harsh, edgy, sharp kind of aesthetic.
Kyle Pierce 1:15:08
Yeah. Yeah. Now my partner Megan has Venus, pretty close to the south node and Libra. And she gets her. It's like a understated sense of, of beauty and style. And it's like, I'm not here to look pretty for you so much.
Tristan Paylor 1:15:25
It's like, I have a strong aesthetic sensibility. I care about fashion, and I have strong tastes and opinions, but
Unknown 1:15:33
I don't really care
Tristan Paylor 1:15:34
about, well, we're wearing it for you, you know, I'm wearing it to make a political statement, or I'm wearing it because it's what I like, or because it makes me feel good, or I'm wearing it to make a statement about art or whatever. It is not meant to be sort of like appealing to
Kyle Pierce 1:15:51
me, because I have this annoying body. This body that I have to put clothes on. So she put on whatever
Tristan Paylor 1:15:58
Gesell Yeah, I have to
Kyle Pierce 1:16:01
wait. We have anything else to say about the South Node?
Tristan Paylor 1:16:04
I think that's good. I feel like the the basic answer is, you know, it depends. If you believe in reincarnation. The South Node is definitely very important as an indication of unresolved past life stuff in evolutionary astrology. So if that's something that you're interested in, definitely find an evolutionary astrologer. And aside from it being you know, explicitly connected to past lives in that school of astrology, I think there's there's a case for it being connected to the past and potentially past lives and other traditions of astrology as well. Yeah.
Kyle Pierce 1:16:47
Yeah. And I want to hear from listeners if they have any prominent South Node placements, and if they have sort of relationship to punk rock, or like grunge or and all these, like band names are popping into my head, like, what is it put a lift up puddle, puddle of mud or Cradle of Filth or something? Yeah, like, the band members have like South Node placements or something. But I want to hear if you have any, any dirty south node stories.
Tristan Paylor 1:17:20
And if you if you do believe in past lives and feel like that, there's something about the south node that speaks to something from the past that you're resolving in this life, too. I'd also love to hear about that. Yeah,
Kyle Pierce 1:17:36
please send me the most concise episode of astrology. I love it.
Tristan Paylor 1:17:41
We have a time limit. I have a as well. You have to feed your son and I have to I have a social date at 630 on the.so. We were forced to get this specific window of time. It works.
Unknown 1:18:04
Well, what do you have going on?
Tristan Paylor 1:18:05
I have the usual I am. I'm offering Birth Chart readings, synastry readings year ahead forecasts. And short you know, one question, or big three readings over zoom. Which you can book through my website, bad sign astrology.ca You can also find my blog there or you can find it on Tumblr at bad sign astrology. And you can find me on Instagram at bad sign astrology where I post lots of content about you know, current and upcoming transits and little you know, reading your natal chart tips and that kind of stuff. Awesome.
Kyle Pierce 1:18:48
Well, I also Likewise, you can book a consultation with me at my website, Kyle Pierce astrology.com I have not as I had hoped to add time to publish nearly anywhere near the the amount of social media content that I had been planning and blaming this show now. We are you know, I'm actually mean excited about it, but be doing a lot of editing because we are working on a series of episodes covering the basics of astrology. So that's so for planets, one for signs, one for houses, and one for aspects and sort of bringing on guests for those episodes and coordinating them and then editing. All of it is very time consuming. So hopefully there isn't a huge gap between this in the next episode. I don't know. It's hard to say because we got the holidays coming up. Crazy. Yeah. Just be patient. In fact, we'll describe and tell your friends and you know, leave a review and all that cool stuff and send us your questions. send us your questions.
Tristan Paylor 1:20:01
And thank you to Porter and B, for your amazing questions. This was a lot of fun. And I feel like with all these questions, I end up you know, uncovering books in my astrology library that have been neglected or you know, that I have yet to read. And so all these questions are getting a lot of those books in my archive. Read, which is great. And I ended up like learning all kinds of new stuff and getting all kinds of food for thought every time so
Kyle Pierce 1:20:33
All right, yeah, no, just like refreshing. You know, like, yeah, maybe learn to read something that you maybe glossed over in the past and then you know, you hear it again. Then I always learn things from Tristan because he's brilliant, and it's fun. So yeah, please keep the questions coming. I learned something new every episode.
Unknown 1:20:54
Yeah, this is a lot of fun.
Kyle Pierce 1:20:57
Yeah, well, with that, we will call it a day and we will see you all next time. Thank you for listening interesting, are you grateful to our listeners?
Tristan Paylor 1:21:14
The thing you just you wrapped nicely? awkwardly come in. So I mean,
Unknown 1:21:20
I wasn't sure if you're going to run on it. But
Tristan Paylor 1:21:25
no, I have no gratitude.
Kyle Pierce 1:21:30
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