Halloween Special - Fox Mulder and Jason Voorhees

Kyle Pierce  00:00

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Tristan Paylor  01:39

Hello, everyone.

Kyle Pierce  01:42

We're gonna be doing a special episode today. Sort of the spirit of Halloween. How are you feeling? With Scorpio season so far Tristan is just entered. Believe this morning, right? Yeah, October 23.

Tristan Paylor  01:58

For some reason I had the date mixed up. I thought it was later than this. So, you know I did my usual thing where you know, I get up in the morning and I look at the transits for the day. And I was like, Oh, it snuck up on me. Which is very characteristic to sneak up on you very stealthy. Wasn't expecting it? Totally. So far. The sun is one of my time lords this year. And you know, so far having the sun in the fifth house has been nice. It's transiting through my fifth house when it's in Scorpio, and I'll take it.

Kyle Pierce  02:38

Yeah, I mean, I think I've been enjoying today overall. But I know that this is pretty much my favorite time of the year like every year. I don't know about you, Tristan, but I absolutely love Halloween as sort of a protest against the early Christmas decorators who start decorating in November. Sometimes I don't always do this try to be a little tasteful. But I mean, I definitely put up my Halloween decorations. October 1, but sometimes I'll do it in September just to just to rub it in Christmas people's faces.

Tristan Paylor  03:11

I think my room is decorated for Halloween 365 Yeah,

03:18

my life is decorated for Halloween. Yeah,

Tristan Paylor  03:20

my life is very much Yes. Halloweeny

Kyle Pierce  03:24

want to interview cancer risings and see if it's just a universal thing is having Scorpio on your fifth house. If if Halloween just ends up being the favorite holiday of, of cancer, risings everywhere

Tristan Paylor  03:37

is what brings cancer risings joy but Scorpio Yes, that's that's where the house of joy is in our charts. You know, don't don't underestimate cancer risings. Oh, no, we we seem innocent and sweet. But we have Mars ruling our fifth houses we huge creeps. Yeah, our idea of a good time is a little messed up.

Kyle Pierce  04:00

Yeah, so I don't know, but I wouldn't have it any other way. It's now your time. What are you anything in particular you're doing to get in the Halloween spirit?

Tristan Paylor  04:11

Not really this year. To be honest, I kind of feel like I feel about Halloween similarly to how I feel about New Years, where, you know, there's so many years where I get way too hyped up and then end up just like setting myself up for disappointment. But it's also I mean, we're in sort of a transition right now or we're still settling into this house that needs a lot of renovations. So, you know, putting a lot of energy into decorating right now. It just feels like it would be misplaced energy. Yeah. We need to get the house in. Good enough shape to be festive, I guess. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce  04:54

Ultimately, you know, it's a good excuse to to do that stuff. I know that's I tend to keep things is a lot cleaner because I enjoy my living space so much more because it's full of Halloween decorations. So I actually like care about to like do more like the detail cleaning.

Tristan Paylor  05:13

I love that. I mean I'm I'm very excited about this episode this feels this feels very festive. I feel like this is my my big Halloween celebration is doing this episode.

Kyle Pierce  05:23

One of the nice things about speaking of the fifth house having having a kid is that you know, trick or treating gives me an excuse to actually get a Halloween costume and dress right.

Tristan Paylor  05:33

What is your Halloween costume this year?

Kyle Pierce  05:36

Oh, I think I would like to be. I think I'm gonna go with Professor Snape this year. Oh, even though I can't get Declan to get on board with me to dress up as another Harry Potter character.

Tristan Paylor  05:52

That's too bad.

05:53

I think I'm just gonna do it anyway.

Tristan Paylor  05:55

Because what's he dressing up as? A werewolf? Ooh, I like it. That's it. That's what I should do.

Kyle Pierce  06:03

An adorable pink werewolf. Not even a scary one.

Tristan Paylor  06:07

i Okay, Declan is my hero. Actually, I'm playing a werewolf in d&d right now. But my werewolf character is very unconventional and like has a lot of like still has this is of the same mind when he's shapeshifted. So he doesn't want people to be afraid of him. And he goes around wearing a giant blue bow and will form to look less intimidating and blend in a little bit better. So I just I love the image of the happy sparkly pink werewolf. I feel like a real sense of solidarity with Declan.

Kyle Pierce  06:45

Yeah, I mean, he does have this very sparkly Venus in pisces and his fifth house, so

Tristan Paylor  06:52

that's lovely. Yeah. That's so much so much lovelier than my fifth house.

Kyle Pierce  06:57

Yeah, no. Yeah, different ideas of Halloween costumes, but I it's good influence. Influence on me. But I want to get too off track, but I didn't know that you did d&d.

Tristan Paylor  07:13

I do. Well, we we started recently, we've wanted to for a really long time. And my partner Keith finally took the plunge and taught himself to DM so we've been it's just been me and Keith and my best friend for a few weeks.

Kyle Pierce  07:29

Holy moly. We do have the same chart. I swear to God because Megan and I, maybe within a year ago, both got interested in the idea of doing d&d The same time and we haven't been able to find a DM to host the game for us. So we haven't actually played yet. Like really? Wow. So I don't know if you guys want to do a little DM or a DM d&d party.

Tristan Paylor  07:56

Well, we're we're gonna start a new campaign in December with you know, we're going to add another friend to the table so you know, maybe this this podcast episode you know, everyone is is listening to the beginning of a new d&d team up. You're you're hearing fate in the making?

Kyle Pierce  08:23

Your I don't know. Making my you're being Jupiter in my 11th house right now. It's it's a dream come true. Yes, anyway.

Tristan Paylor  08:36

Do you want to you want to let folks know when? Oh, yeah. Is that because this was all this was Kyle's brainchild?

Kyle Pierce  08:42

Yeah. Though, I think technically you were the first one to do this. We're actually doing decided to in the spirit of Halloween and have a little bit of fun astrology. And we both chose birth charts of fictional. What would you call them?

Tristan Paylor  09:01

Spooky characters for horror characters or horror adjacent character? Yeah.

Kyle Pierce  09:06

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're kind of answering our own question some degrees that, you know, can fictional characters have birth charts, you know, do they line up with the lore of that character? You know, the fictional timeline.

Tristan Paylor  09:22

I think my character makes a pretty good case.

Kyle Pierce  09:25

Yeah, I'm, I am excited to hear about yours. You want to jump in?

Tristan Paylor  09:31

On a late November night in the small town of Chilmark, Massachusetts. A 12 year old boy wakes up in the bedroom he shares with his younger sister to hear her desperately calling his name. Fox she screams again and again. But as Fox tries to respond, he realizes his body is completely paralyzed. Unable to turn his head he can't see what is happening to his sister. A bright light fills his vision and he hears a soothing voice speaking in his head as if by telepathy. Do not be afraid to her. One day she will return. When Fox wakes the next morning, his sister's bed is empty. Now let's fast forward about 20 years to the FBI headquarters in Washington DC. Special Agent Dr. Dana Scully is summoned to a meeting with the Division Chief, and a mysterious Unnamed government official. She is given a new assignment to work on an obscure section of the FBI with an agent her colleagues refer to as spooky Mulder. To reach his office Scully must descend from the well lit and well walked halls of the headquarters to a secluded office deep in the basement. Knocking on the door she hears the voice inside say, nobody down here but the FBI is most unwanted. Scully enters the office of corkboards filled with pictures of crop circles UFOs and records of extraterrestrial sightings line the walls. She approaches the desk and reaches out to shake her new partner's hand. Hey, says I'm Fox Mulder. So we will have Mulders birth chart up in the show notes. I'm assuming he doesn't need much more of an introduction than that because I feel like the X Files has been so influential on pop culture that you know, he's probably a household name, but he is one of the two main characters from the 90s Supernatural sci fi show The X Files which is like I would consider it sci fi horror. They spend a lot of time running away from aliens and monsters in the woods at night. It's it's pretty spooky stuff. It's a scary show. Not overly sell. But it is scary.

Kyle Pierce  12:10

I think our maybe our tolerance has gotten higher for horror or something like that. It's true. The X Files was the scary show for a long time. And now. It's still a great show. I just Yeah. Don't get the chills so much anymore. But anyway. Yeah, I'm excited about this. It's one of my favorite shows. I like grew up on The X Files. I think you did as well, right?

Tristan Paylor  12:35

Yep. I I had Scully and Mulder at the foot of my bed. I had a giant X Files poster. So I woke up every morning to see their faces smiling down. Cool. Well, not really smiling, I guess like looking serious and vaguely paranoid. And I had,

Kyle Pierce  12:54

you know what, how I felt around that time. Yeah, I was seriously vaguely paranoid. That's exactly my childhood. Like my default state.

Tristan Paylor  13:03

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And I had, I had an action figure of Dana Scully that I kept next to my bed I that they like, they raised me as a child. They were my parents. Which I love. I know, and that'd be great. I love creepy spooky stuff. Like I watched unsolved mysteries, and I watched the outer limits, but The X Files was really special because the outer limits was hopefully, I mean, I haven't rewatched it since becoming an adult so I don't know if it would still hold up. But I mean, as a kid, I eat it up because just like anything that was creepy and about aliens, and kind of like unsettling tales from the crypt, actually, Elsa craps. Yeah,

Kyle Pierce  13:45

it's so great. That was good. It's still great. actually really hard to get that I think you have to get like the DVD. boxset. Really? Yeah. It's like you can't get it on a on Amazon or on anything answer if you feel like you just like set it up for people. Anybody who hasn't watched The X Files. You know, after listening to Tristan, like you could jump in good. I don't know. It's good lead off.

Tristan Paylor  14:07

It's that complete X Files is available on Disney plus, so you know, get on that.

Kyle Pierce  14:14

I don't know if it is I think it's just in Canada. Is it just? I don't know. I couldn't get it. I couldn't find it. Man. I had to get Hulu. Just don't get me started on Hulu. Well, let's who wants to sponsor us there? Oh,

Tristan Paylor  14:29

wait, yeah, there are ways to watch it. Anyway, I guess I should probably actually get into Mulders chart actually wrote a article recently about his chart where I analyzed it so as far as I know, he doesn't canonically have a birth time. He does canonically have a birth date and location. So I made an effort to rectify the chart. And you know after after discussing, you know, a few things that don't require a birth time To be relevant. I'll get into, you know how I rectified this chart and some of the events from Fox moulders timeline that actually line up pretty well with the birth time I chose. So, Mulder was born on October 13 1961, in Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, and he was born with the sun in Libra, and the Moon in Sagittarius. And probably most notably, if anyone's familiar with both astrology and The X Files, they will not be able to help noticing the conjunction between Mercury, Mars and Neptune all in Scorpio in his chart, and Mercury and Mars are both at seven degrees of Scorpio. So just like right on top of each other.

Kyle Pierce  15:55

That's so awesome for a paranormal, like detective.

Tristan Paylor  15:58

Oh, yeah, it's just like, perfect.

Kyle Pierce  16:02

I was gonna say like, I kind of was a little raised by David the company. That was a huge enthusiast, huge enthusiasm of of The X Files and everything like The X Files. Did you ever watch coast to coast? George Henry?

Tristan Paylor  16:14

I didn't or listen to Oh, no, no, I mean, I heard of it. But I don't think it was. I don't know if it was popular on TV in Canada.

Kyle Pierce  16:23

It was a radio actually. Okay. I said watch. It was a radio show, like a late night radio show. That was like all about paranormal stuff. But my dad had Mercury conjunct Neptune in Scorpio.

Tristan Paylor  16:34

And he loved all the the paranormal stuff to dad, your dad just kind of Fox Mulder. That's hilarious. So, you know, it's probably pretty obvious, you know, even if you haven't watched The X Files is that Scully and Mulder are both FBI agents and they work on a weird section of paranormal cases called The X Files. Aliens are big extraterrestrial beings are a major theme of the show. And the major theme of the show is sort of overarching mythology. But most of the show's sort of like Monster of the Week. And, you know, they they deal with The Jersey Devil and they deal with the ghosts and psychics and like anything sort of out there and Marcus monster, they Yeah, they they deal with the Loch Ness Monster. So Mulder is sort of driving obsession in life, is investigating these paranormal cases. And he is extremely passionate, extremely obsessed and extremely paranoid. But I think so when I when I started looking at his chart, the first thing that I noticed about it is that he has three planets in the signs of their fall. He has Venus in Virgo. He has the sun in Libra, and he has Jupiter in Capricorn, and fallen planets. You know, we've talked about them a lot on this show and how, you know, they can kind of be misfits, where, you know, they're there in the opposite of the place that the planet would be when it is exalted, you know, where it has an easy time being seen and respected. In molders case, you know, he's got a bunch of planets in his chart that don't necessarily have an easy time being seen and respected. So molders, like extremely competent. And he developed a reputation for being extremely good at behavioral profiling early in his FBI career. But, of course, he's also completely obsessed with paranormal fringe theories, which sets him up to be like a little bit of an outcast figure at the FBI. His nickname, you know, as I mentioned, is spooky Mulder and people kind of don't take him seriously. And in a way, it's like, like, Dana Scully is a really promising young FBI agent, she's a medical doctor, she's, you know, extremely successful and extremely competent. So, like, it could be seen as a little bit of a slate towards her in a way that she gets assigned to basically, you know, run around with this guy as he chases after, you know, aliens and ghosts and stuff. And her job is kind of to come up with rational explanations for the phenomena he encounters. And like in the first episode, you know, she literally, you know, she starts on like a main floor of the Bureau and or of the headquarters and has to like, descend into this dark, creepy cramped sort of basement setting. So it's like she literally has to fall just like the planets and fallen Mulders Charlie, you have to fall in order to get to this man. And then he says his very first line in the show is no one down here but the FBI is most Anwar to read. So it really fits with that, you know, having multiple planets and fall on a chart and you know, being like a little bit of an outsider.

Kyle Pierce  20:09

There's a ton in this chart actually, that fits inside in so many ways. It makes me wonder if like they were, I don't know, if somebody who's into astrology pixels birthdate or something.

Tristan Paylor  20:19

That's what I kept saying to myself. I was like, and it would make sense. So the showrunner Chris Carter, you know, he's into all this weird stuff. Eric, assembly and astrology a little bit. Yeah, like he's got, you know, episodes of The X Files that are about psychic powers and predicting the future and whatever. So it just, it makes sense to me that he'd know something about astrology. And yeah, interestingly, Chris Carter, also has the sun in Libra, and Venus in Virgo, just like Mulder. So I don't know there's part of yeah, when I look at Mulders was Chris Carter born? Chris Carter was born in 1956. On October 13. So he literally shares mother's birthday. Yeah. Not the same year, but the same day of the month. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce  21:14

I mean, there's a flavor to that, that time of year. Sun in Libra is a bit more of a critical Sun sometimes, you know, well, it's called the Fallen planets are skeptical. In a sense.

Tristan Paylor  21:31

Yeah. You know, it's like things don't just come handed easily to fallen planets. So they don't have that sort of innate sense that, like, I can trust people, and everything's gonna be okay. And everything is, you know, in its right place in the world, it's like, fallen planets have that awareness that things are not all right, in the world. Yeah. And that people who, you know, kind of have rose colored glasses on about it, or like, you know, planets and fall look at that. And they're like, do you live in the real world? Yeah. Do you see how broken things are?

Kyle Pierce  22:01

Yeah, but not under the illusion that, you know, the sort of Creamfields center of life is, where life actually is, you know, live on the fringe. And that's where, in my opinion, like all the interesting stuff is,

Tristan Paylor  22:18

and I think that's why, you know, when you look at popular culture, so many of our our main characters are, like, they're outsiders, or they're orphans, or they're misfits, or they're anti heroes, you know, like, those are the characters that we find compelling. Like, our main characters are never just like, you know, here's somebody who just had everything nice handed to them from birth and has never had to face any adversity. And Nino just fits in nicely with everyone and is super popular. Like that's, it's not interesting to follow your character arcs because there's just no, there's not really much of an arc to be had.

Kyle Pierce  22:56

I feel like if anything, they're the character that sometimes, actually, I don't know. I don't know. Do you know a bit about? Cuz I mean, moulders, like, in one sense, like a very, I think he's considered to be like a good detective. You know,

Tristan Paylor  23:11

he's very gone. Yeah, he's an excellent investigator. Yeah, he's

Kyle Pierce  23:15

just into some weird stuff that like the FBI can't really take too seriously, at least officially. They kind of handle all that, that that sort of backdoor secret stuff. Or he's getting handed it by Mr. X, right.

Tristan Paylor  23:29

He's, he's handing it to himself. And yeah, he has, like, you know, restricts is like giving them the rein to do that. Yeah, he's, he's getting the rain to do it because of his connections, which is something that I'm gonna get into because there are a lot of a lot of mitigating factors in this chart as well. It's not it's not all just paranoia and spookiness. And being a misfit, he's got a lot of privilege to when you think about it, and that that comes up in his chart, too.

Kyle Pierce  23:55

But Mercury is being sorry. No, no, go ahead.

Tristan Paylor  23:59

What were you gonna say about Mercury?

Kyle Pierce  24:01

What's the like mercury is ruling the first house and it's in Scorpio and it's hugs instead exact. Guess it's just a break. It's within a degree of a conjunction with Mars in Scorpio in a night chart. And so I mean, it's, it's basically kind of has like the dignity of Mars and Scorpio, in a sense.

Tristan Paylor  24:20

Yeah, as Mercury absorbs, you know, the, it's such an impressionable planet, it takes on the character of, you know, whatever has the most influence on it. And it's also in terms of sect. Mercury is of the sector in favor. It's an evening star in this chart. So yeah, and Mercury is an evening star and a night chart than it is insect. So this is, you know, a nighttime mercury and a nighttime chart so it feels at ease in this chart. I mean, I don't know at ease is really the best way to describe Mulder, but hopefully you understand what I mean. Yes, like it's where it's at. used to be in a sense, it's not at ease, but it's not supposed to be it's where it's it's in a place where it can function and do its job. Well.

Kyle Pierce  25:08

Yeah, it's a compatible with its environment. It's a little easier. Yeah. Trent things translate. Yeah, easier smoother. And it's also like it's outside of the beams of the sun. Nice for mercury.

Tristan Paylor  25:22

Yeah, it's a rare, rare situation when that happens.

Kyle Pierce  25:26

Yeah, it's usually which in mother's case it is retrograde. Which is appropriate. Yes. Yeah, Mercury spent so much time not visible.

Tristan Paylor  25:36

Right. Yeah, it really does spend so much time not visible. Any of the retrograde is also interesting, because, you know, The X Files are a lot of the cases and The X Files are sort of forgotten or, you know, they've, they're like unsolved and they they stretch far into the past. And there is that sort of like orientation towards the past with retrograde planets. So I feel like that's kind of appropriate for Mercury Retrograde in Scorpio to be spending all of its time kind of digging through these dusty old forgotten files.

Kyle Pierce  26:08

Yeah. Just like taking a second look to like, like, wait a second, you know, stuff like everybody else kind of glossed over. Let's dig a little deeper into it.

Tristan Paylor  26:19

Yeah, Mercury Retrograde is good at catching stuff that you missed the first time around. Oh, yeah. One of the the other Fallen planets, I think is very interesting. And Mulders chart is Jupiter in Capricorn, which is separating from a conjunction with Saturn and Capricorn. And Saturn would be the most challenging planet in moulders chart because he was born at night. And Saturn is the daytime malefic. So, you know, Saturn being being kind of cold and restricting is like extra cold and restricting at night, and then just a little bit more extreme and harder to handle. So I, I find it really interesting that Jupiter represents the law, it represents authority, it represents, you know, elected officials. And, you know, if you think about like, a, I guess, well functioning Jupiter, you know, you might picture a government that is functioning well, and that, you know, serves its people. You know, Jupiter is a very social planning on a large scale, it's not so much about, you know, one to one socializing as it is about, like groups and organizations and society at large. And, you know, those kinds of social dynamics kind of going smoothly. And, you know, people in authority, you know, behaving in a way that is just and of service to, you know, the people that they're supposed to be working for the benefit of, but then, you know, Jupiter in Fall is kind of an appropriate symbol for the government as it exists in the X Files universe, which is extremely corrupt, and extremely conspiratorial, you know, this is not a just government that Mulder is dealing with. And the FBI is, you know, in, in the X Files universe full of secrets that would absolutely shock you.

Kyle Pierce  28:22

And that might be to some degree in the real universe, too.

Tristan Paylor  28:26

Yeah. Which, you know, I think is

Kyle Pierce  28:30

I think like falling planets can also have that tendency of like reading more into that too than there actually is. But in the The X Files universe tends to be right a lot.

Tristan Paylor  28:42

Yeah, that's the funny thing about The X Files universe is that, you know, aliens are real in the X Files universe, and paranormal stuff does happen. And there actually are these, you know, massive conspiracies that Muller does have clues about, although getting hard evidence is often a challenge.

Kyle Pierce  29:02

Yeah, there's so much to say about that. So I do always i i Really, when I think about like government and law and stuff, I think of Saturn, and Jupiter is being kind of pear in creating that where Jupiter is kind of like your carrot, you know, when it comes to managing the people's, the benefits that you offer them, or the stabilization, you know, the positive benefits of living in a society living under law, the reason why we all benefit from that, and don't resist it too much in general. But Saturn is more of like the, you know, the stick end of it, you know, defining the limits of what you are and are not allowed to do in the FBI. I mean, it's a little more on that Saturn side, I would think in general.

Tristan Paylor  29:47

Yeah, we're it's it's not you don't want the FBI at your door. Yeah, that's not an enjoyable it's not a joopa terian situation. Yeah, it's like Jupiter at your door is You know, more like, I don't know that you know, the representative from the political party you vote for, you know, bringing a sign to your door that you can put on your lawn or whatever. Whereas, you know, yeah, Saturn's a little bit more like law enforcement is here because you are in big trouble.

Kyle Pierce  30:17

Yeah. Even like Jupiter separating a little bit from Saturn, like as Jupiter is being received by Saturn, which, in some sense, helps the dignity of Jupiter in a sense, but it's like separating, and it's kind of like, you know, molders in the FBI, but he's kind of like, what is this organization that I'm in?

Tristan Paylor  30:39

Yeah, it's not the X Files is not a very pro government or pro law enforcement show by any means. Yeah. It's very, very much, you know, law enforcement is corrupt. And Mulder and Scully are kind of like, actually decent human beings who are, you know, trying to do something good with their lives. But they're sort of caught up in the midst of it. And, you know, there's sort of these moral dilemmas where, you know, they kind of have to work against the bureau in order to do the right thing a lot of the time, which I think also fits with the Fallen Jupiter within it. Yeah, you're like you're working against the status quo in order to like Jupiter represents justice and truth and all those great values. But you know, Mulder is living in a world of Secrets and Lies and so he has to kind of resist that world and but his head up against it often at great risk to himself. Yeah, in order to you know, reveal the truth and you know, see justice done.

Kyle Pierce  31:42

I feel like I want to believe is such a Jupiter in Capricorn statement to a really it wants to be Jupiter so bad. And it is Jupiter. It's just like I but it needs proof. You know, it needs cold hard facts to like back it back it up. It's it's ridiculously on point.

Tristan Paylor  32:03

Yeah, it's so onpoint

Kyle Pierce  32:05

meaning like the fifth house to I remember, Scalia at one point, like it was like a theme in an episode where she asked Mulder if he had any hobbies. And while you know, Scully is kind of like the main character things so So focus on her and you get a sense that she has some sort of personal life. I don't think you've ever get the sense that older has a personal life.

Tristan Paylor  32:26

No. No, he Yeah, his his whole life is pursuing this single minded obsession. There is no there is no personal life for Mulder.

Kyle Pierce  32:37

Yeah, Jupiter is ruling the seventh. It's like never in any relationships that I'm aware of.

Tristan Paylor  32:43

And it's funny, he you never see him sleeping in a bed. He's always when you see him at home. He's sleeping on the couch. Yeah, like wow. Which I feel is really kind of fitting for Saturn in the fifth house ruling the fifth house or like, you know, the fifth house is how do you relax and get comfortable and feel pleasure and enjoy yourself and you know, bad is a very fifth house location. Yeah, and he doesn't sleep. He's just like, he's at work, even when he's sleeping. He just crouched on the couch, you know, in his dress shirt or whatever, like, comfort is not a motivation for him. There's also a signification of Saturn that comes from my favorite second century Hellenistic astrologer badius valance. In his significations of Saturn, he writes that it indicates deceit, secrets and the concealment of treachery. Which is just such a delicious sentence for my favorite Saturn significations. Oh, yeah, it's the best and it's like I think that really fits for having a very Saturnian Jupiter, where you know, Jupiter in its sort of ideal state represents you know, authority that acts fairly and truthfully. And in Mulders. Case, authority is concealing treachery, secrets and deceit. He's trying to get to the bottom of

Kyle Pierce  34:11

also mean the mother has Venus in Virgo on the ascendant and it's also like overcoming Saturn and Jupiter by Trine pretty tightly. Yeah. And I don't know, like adds to like the sort of justice seeking element. I know that's not specifically Venus signification but like, it's a bit of a greater good sort of vibe having like both benefits there. Actually, now they're not quite enclosing Saturn. They want to think they want to quantify Saturn succeeding a little bit

Tristan Paylor  34:45

if he was born just a few days earlier. Yeah, he would have been epic enclosure around Saturn, but he wasn't so he just gets to be super paranoid all the time instead, I guess. Yeah,

Kyle Pierce  34:58

yeah. This is also like ruling the ninth to shift the like, just adds to like the it's like the, maybe Jupiter and Capricorn on its own, maybe depending on situations might give up, like might give up seeking out the truth and like just like submit to Saturn and be like, like, alright, you know, I'll play play by the government agenda, you know, whatever, but the fact that he's like still like seeking the truth, you know, the truth is out there. If you're like, it's like a penis is like a Jupiter. Remember the ninth house, you do that pretty well,

Tristan Paylor  35:32

like trying to help out on this. It's almost a religious conviction. And, yeah, in in episode four of season one, that is the first episode where you hear the line, I want to believe and it's in a specific context. It's not that the line isn't stated in the context of Mulder wanting to believe in aliens, it's actually a lot more specific than that. And the first time we hear the line molders actually sitting in a church. So, you know, as as people probably gathered from my little storytime what kind of drives Mulder to the sort of extreme obsession with these weird cases is that he believes his own sister was abducted by aliens when they were children. And, you know, it tore his family apart. And he forgot the event, but he went to like a hypnotist who does you know, like regression, hypnosis therapy, or whatever the technical term for it is. And so at the end of episode four, Scully actually dredges up the tape that records his session with the hypnotherapist where they go into his repressed memories. And he's talking about as if he's 12 years old again on that night when his sister disappeared. And, you know, he talks about hearing this voice in his head that saying, you know, she's going to be okay, she's going to return Don't be afraid. And the hypnotherapist asks, Mulder, do you believe the voice? And he says, I want to believe and that's where that whole line comes from. It's, it's not like I want to believe in the paranormal. It's, I want to believe that my sister's Okay. I want to believe that the beings who abducted her are actually like telling the truth and she's going to come, okay, she's going to be okay. And she's going to come back to me. And that whole scene, it sort of goes back and forth between Scully listening to the tape and Mulder sitting in a church looking at a photo of his sister, and crying. It's like a really moving scene in the show. So yeah, I feel like that, you know, Venus in Fall ruling the ninth house and this sort of like it is it is almost a religious fiction that he has, and it's often faith rather than reason that drives him even though he's very he's a very good investigator. He's very good at using reason. That's not really the thing that's driving him forward. Love, it's yeah, it's love. It's Venus that's driving him forward. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce  38:11

But it's like a kind of a I mean, it's been challenged in Virgo. Similarly to Jupiter in the sense that it's a little too practical to critical it's a little too like it needs constant reassurance.

Tristan Paylor  38:23

Yeah, it's not like Venus in pisces, you know, in its opposite sign in its exaltation. Venus and Pisces is very good at everything. Yeah. And very good at you know, Venus in pisces would probably hear that voice and go, Okay, everything's gonna be fine and feel very certain of it. But Venus in Virgo has a very unsettled energy. It's not at ease. It's a little anxious. It's a little preoccupied. It's a little high strung. And yeah, it needs concrete Virgo needs concrete proof for concrete evidence. You know, Venus, Venus in pisces is more idealistic about love Venus and Virgo is like I need you to show me that you love me and that this love is real in a very tangible way.

Kyle Pierce  39:08

God you you actually did a really impressed you did a brilliant job rectifying this. Seven the ruler Mercury isn't in the third house of siblings. That was my that was the head to be Yeah. And then like Mars, Mars is ruling the eighth right? You can get like abduction in the eighth you know things. Yes. Appearing things going missing. Yeah, I'm Nathan I'm losing stuff all the time. But also conjunct Neptune, like something that from out of this world literally made her sister you know, disappear. Where's the sister? You know, she's still there.

Tristan Paylor  39:46

She even on this planet? Yeah, like with with Neptune with the outer planets. I think it's important to you know, remember that. We didn't know that Neptune existed for 1000s of years. It wasn't until Very, very recently in human history that we were able to see Neptune, you know, only after the Scientific Revolution were we able to actually look at these outer planets. And so symbolically they represent things that are far outside our everyday understanding. And, you know, Neptune in particular is sort of like this realm of unreality, where, you know, the, the rules don't make sense and up is down and down is up, or things are truly alien. So, you know, for Mulder, to have this really significant conjunction of two personal planets with Neptune makes a lot of sense. And, you know, the way I rectify this chart, my my first, I got lucky in a way, that Mulder at because he's a fictional character, his motivations are like a little easier to figure out, you know, like real real life people, it's really tough to figure out like, what is the main driving force in my life? I don't know the changes. Most people don't have one. Yeah, yeah, we don't have one, like, we might not even have one at all. And if we do, it's subject to change all the time. You know, we have more than one at a time sometimes, and they conflict with each other. And, you know, when you're just trying to tell a story, your character often has clear motivations and a real person does. So you know, the idea of the planet, the rules, the first house is that it is sort of like the captain of the of the chart, it's the captain of the ship. It's the one who's giving the entire chart direction and steering it in a particular direction. So where I say I didn't use any sort of traditional methods to rectify this chart I just started from okay, what is the overarching motivating force in mother's life, and that is solving the mystery of his sister's disappearance that drives him more than anything else. And so I thought, well, the ruler of his first house needs to be in the third house then because the third house represents siblings. So I played around with it for a while. And there were a couple of options like Leo rising would also put the sun in the third house, but I was playing around with it. When I landed on Virgo rising I was like, This one makes the most sense. It puts the ruler in the third which is mercury and it puts that mercury Saturn Neptune conjunction she has like that whole like three headed monster is like smolder. Yeah,

Kyle Pierce  42:22

that's his personality.

Tristan Paylor  42:24

That's his whole personality. Yeah. And then, uh, sorry, go ahead.

Kyle Pierce  42:31

No, no, I'm just I'm, like, excited. I don't know. Like, too excited. Oh, yeah. It's nuts. This is the truth. The truth is, it's right here.

Tristan Paylor  42:44

I found it's it's mother's birth chart. Real Mulder is real everyone. Yeah, the the other thing, of course, is that having Virgo rising puts Venus in Virgo in his first house. And there's sort of like an ongoing joke through the series that like Mulders got, like a little bit of a thing for sexy magazines. And, you know, not Not Safe For Work materials. I believe that yeah, it like it. He doesn't really make any effort to hide it. You know, like Scully will walk into the office and he's just like reading dirty magazines and stuff. So so he just I have so many Venus is in fall, but it's like in the first house so he's got this like, he's, there's a way in which he's very Venusian, like to the audience. He's certainly like a weird Venusian where, like, he is charming and lovable to the audience to the characters in the show. They're all like He's a weirdo. We don't take him seriously. But to the audience like He's always making like really inappropriate jokes are like he's just, you know, him and Skelly will be like investigating a case and someone will have like died a tragic death and like, you know, left behind a bunch of grieving family members and Mulder will make like some really off colored joke about how that person died. scaly just like Mulder, why, but

Kyle Pierce  44:19

it's very Venus. Yeah, cool, sort of off color or even like gallows humor. Sometimes

Tristan Paylor  44:25

gallows humor? Yeah. He's like, sarcastic and yeah, like, you know, it's literally the first line is nobody down here. But the FBI is most unwanted like just that kind of like self deprecating humor even. Which, you know, Venus represents humor and in Virgo. It's a little bit more of a like edgy cutting unusual, sometimes not at the right time or place kind of humor.

Kyle Pierce  44:50

Yeah. There's like a big, like kind of flirtatiousness sometimes to the way he Yes, he can turn it on, you know when he needs to. Yeah. And yeah, for the sex appeal that that I mean, Moeller obviously has

Tristan Paylor  45:05

Oh yeah. Like he's hot. Yeah, he's he's hot. He's like he's charismatic but just in such a weird way he's not at all traditionally charismatic and so I just feel like that Venus in the first is just, it's filling.

Kyle Pierce  45:19

There's like a moon and sedge vibe to there's like a I always think of Top Gun when I think of Sagittarius, which is not what Mulder is. But like there's that sort of like cockiness yeah Sagittarius yeah yeah, there's like a subtle like, I was thinking of a dude out of fingerbang you know, like a hey, you know, got one of those mountains Yeah, doing little finger gun. Yeah, either kitten. I don't know being a creep. I guess

Tristan Paylor  45:54

is Him always had a creep that's not you can that's part of why lanky Yeah, he's he's creepy in the sense that he you know, likes ghosts and aliens and zombies and whatever. But like, yeah, he's not he's not a creep and like a romantic or sexual sense. And so that's why like, in a way, you know, when you when you see him when you see his like, you know, porn collection or whatever, you know? Yeah, it's like kind of innocent. Like he's not he's not actually like harassed like that.

Kyle Pierce  46:24

He's not hiding it makes it Yeah. More like, Oh, yeah. In single dude appreciates. Naked women's

Tristan Paylor  46:31

and scaly. Just makes jokes about it all the time. Yeah. So yeah, it's

Kyle Pierce  46:37

mean like, kind of like, these watch the show, which I'm you know, I haven't watched it since I was like a teenager. Really. And I've been in the process of rewatching it a freaking great show. Dude. That like weird sexual tension with with Scully. It's always kind of like, under the surface, it's like, tasteful, you know, even when it seems like he might be like, maybe flirting a little bit. It's like, not he's not really overstepping any, any lines, you know?

Tristan Paylor  47:05

And almost, I mean, it's interesting. And I don't know, I've also, I grew up watching the show, but I've only started rewatching it recently. So you know, maybe some of the things I'm saying, you know, in later seasons are not quite as true. I'm just like, starting the second season. But, you know, so So I apologize if I've at all miss characterized him, you know, if in later seasons, he does something like genuinely creepy. I don't know. I haven't seen it. Yeah. He might. But I feel I know that there was like, like, we got to hold him to the 90 standards to, unfortunately, was also the 90s. Which, you know, I don't think is an excuse. But, ya know, I know, you know, there's that sort of, like time period awareness. I don't think like it was Chris Carter's intention for them to be romantically linked. And that, you know, I think for the first, you know, when it was still a new show for the first while, you know, there was that, like, that was a big discussion among fans, like, will they or won't they, you know, are they into each other or not. Because they have such great chemistry with each other, and they still care about each other. But it's like, it's really hard to pin it down. Because there are also just a lot of moments where it really feels like a sibling relationship. Yeah. Which would also fit with Mulders Chara with you know, as, you know, three planets in Scorpio, you know, ruling his ascendant in the third house and he's got this like, like, when he puts his hand on Scalia's shoulder, or like, there are moments where, like, you know, they've just been through something really tense, and he kind of like, pulls her in close, and they kind of like walk away from something together, it feels more like he's being sort of like a protective sibling. Yeah. And someone who has a romantic interest. Yeah, it's just like, he's probably, you know, projecting a little bit of his little sister onto scaly and, you know, doesn't want anything to happen to her because he'd have to relive that pain of not being able to protect his sister.

Kyle Pierce  49:11

Yeah. Yeah, I don't think I really can't remember what does happen with them romantically, if anything, but I'm not ever actually really wanted, wanted them to get together. I don't know. But that's also sort of part of like a good long term relationship is that there is like, you had to play multiple roles, you know,

Tristan Paylor  49:33

yeah. That is true. Yeah. And they're like their friends, their co workers, you know, their work partners. They're there a lot of things to each other. Yeah. And then, you know, an increasingly corrupts and untrustworthy universe, you know, that's the only person they can trust, which I think is probably why I love the show so much was that like, there's something comforting about Scully and Mulder, because they can always rely on each other and And you know, even though they live like in, like their fictional universe is messed up, and yeah, you can't trust most people, you know in it, but it's like no matter how messed up the world around them is that their relationship is like an anchor. Yeah. That was very comforting to me as a child, I think was, you know, this, this idea that like there are people in the world who can be sort of like your port in the storm that no matter how crazy things get, you know, that that person can be relied on?

50:31

Yeah. Yeah, they're very safe for each other.

Tristan Paylor  50:36

Yeah. One One last thing I want to mention about moulders chart before I, I'll just briefly talk about some of the some of his life events and how those connect to his chart. But the last thing I want to mention is, you know, as much of an outcast and sort of a fringe person as he is, he does have like some, you know, conditions of benification to use the, you know, Astro jargon going on in his chart, which, you know, represent, like, luck and opportunities and privilege. And in particular, you know, he's got Venus bonafide being the moon, and Saturn and Jupiter. So Venus is in Virgo. It's making an overcoming Yeah, it's it's a night chart, and Venus is the night benefic. So you know, the the nicest planet and a nice chart, generally speaking will be Venus. And Venus is squaring the Moon in Sagittarius. So quantifying the Moon and Venus is trine Saturn and Jupiter in Capricorn. So quantifying those planets as well. And I find that really interesting because like, Muller gets a lot of leeway to do stuff that most people would not be able to get away with doing or Yeah, you know, in the first episode, he reveals to Scully that, like, you know, the only reason he's allowed to keep, you know, having an office that the FBI and pursuing the X Files is you know, that he's made connections in Congress. So like, he's got friends in high places. And the BNF X, Venus and Jupiter, and a chart can definitely represent friends in high places who benefit the owner of the chart in some way. So you know, he's got like, authority figures in his life, we're kind of like looking out for him and giving him opportunities. And like, he gets into trouble. And he just gets bailed out all the time. Like he flagrantly breaks the law and gets bailed out again and again, you know,

Kyle Pierce  52:46

yeah. And you never know who his his kind of secret allies are. Yeah. And the ruler of the 11th is the moon and Sagittarius in the fourth. There you go. It's like he knows who they are. But you don't know. Well, he

Tristan Paylor  52:59

doesn't even speak. But

53:01

yeah. That's fair.

Tristan Paylor  53:05

That's a really good catch. So Mulders 11th house is cancer, which means it's ruled by the moon. And the moon is being bonafide in the 11th house represents, you know, allies and mentors and people in positions of power who benefit you in some way. And he's, I mean, in a way, he is very privileged, like, he's an FBI agent, he's making lots of money. You know, he gets like free rein to basically run around the country, just doing whatever he wants, like, following his passion projects. So, you know, as as much as you know, his life is challenging. And, you know, he's, he's kind of an outsider within the FBI. You know, when you think about him relative to you know, maybe the average American, you know, he does enjoy quite a bit of privilege,

Kyle Pierce  53:49

ya know, for sure. Most molders out there are live in, you know, way more on the fringe, you know, he's he's on the fringe of the FBI, but he's in the FBI. Exactly. He's still there powerful. And agencies in the world. Really? Yeah.

Tristan Paylor  54:05

Yeah, he's still got, he's still got a ton of power. Yeah. And, you know, you see that contrast a little bit in the show, where, you know, you see him interact with, you know, some of the quote unquote little guys, you know, the people who are like, you know, believers in UFOs, and, you know, have like, photos of their UFO sightings and whatever, and he interacts with these characters and like small towns who, you know, they're like, they don't have nice clothes. And yeah, there's one one character who, who shows up a few times in the show who has actually been, you know, abducted by aliens and, you know, he's involved in, in all these organizations, you know, setting setting out to prove the aliens really exist, but he's just like, he's living in a trailer and like, you know, he's, he's, like, kind of he's like a genuine social outcast in that universe. You know, he doesn't have powerful connections, he doesn't have the kinds of benefits and status that Mulder has. Oh, yeah. And so you see that when they interact, you start to see that contrast a little bit like, oh, yeah, he's not just like an average dude who believes these things. And Average Dude, who believes these things is going to have a very different experience than he does.

Kyle Pierce  55:18

Yeah, I have one more quick one. That's a fun one, go for it. Mercury, you know, is conjunct the ruler of the eighth house retrograding away, and he's constantly just narrowly escaping death. Yeah, you know, it's just, it's like, happening all the time. He's always getting into dangerous situations, you know, drawn his gun and stuff, but like, just narrowly escapes.

Tristan Paylor  55:43

That's a really good catch. Yeah, we're the eighth house, you know, represents death, and

Kyle Pierce  55:49

which in like, real life, like not even like little sometimes I don't know, but sometimes it really shows up like that. And

Tristan Paylor  55:56

then the ruler of his ascendant, you know, the first house is the life and the body, you know, and, and, you know, your survival, basically, and the ruler of the eighth house is conjunct the ruler of the first which, you know, in, in this genre, like in an average person's life, you know, that's probably nothing to be afraid of. But you know, if your genre where if you're like, I'm an FBI agent in the X Files universe, and you see that in your chart, you might be like, that's a little worried. Yeah, because I'm literally running into death constantly. Like my whole job is, is chasing, you know, situations that could get me killed.

Kyle Pierce  56:30

Yeah, if you're in a lot of situations where I would definitely be interested if the aspect is applying or separating in that specific situation.

Tristan Paylor  56:41

Yeah, I should check. Hang on one second. I'm pretty sure it's separating because Mercury is retrograde there. But I will check for shreds seven

Kyle Pierce  56:49

degrees, 54 minutes, and Mercury is seven degrees. 20 Yeah, it's nine minutes and separating.

Tristan Paylor  56:59

This they are 12 minutes apart. And Mercury is separating from the conjunction. Yeah, that's very interesting. He's just like constantly, like mercury retrograde and Mercury is such a slippery planet to just like, slipping through the hands of death.

Kyle Pierce  57:15

Oh, and it's, well, maybe you have to watch the show to find this one out. Because Mars also rules the third Does he ever find a

Tristan Paylor  57:21

sister dun dun, dun. She's still alive. So events in his life. When I started looking at at his life events, I got really excited because they fit his chart super well. And it made me feel like I'd done a good job with my very just like bare bones rectification. It's not, it's not as easy with real people. It's a lot easier with fictional character. Oh, yeah. They're a little less three dimensional and self-contradictory

57:50

real people are more complex, complicated. Yeah.

Tristan Paylor  57:53

All right. So there are dates for a number of significant events and mother's life. The first one I'm going to talk about is the Knights of Samantha Mulders abduction. And using annual perfections. Age 12 is a first house year. So the first house and its ruler will be emphasized in a first house here. And of course, the first house ruler, according to my rectification is in the third house of siblings. So you might predict that a first house year would be a really significant year not only for Mulder sense of identity and purpose, but also for his relationships with siblings. And that was exactly the year that Samantha was abducted. And the night of the abduction, mercury, which rules Mulders first house was transiting through his third house, so he was having a Mercury return. When Samantha was abducted, he was about halfway through his Mercury return. So the night that it happened, Mercury was in Scorpio and just, you know, past the conjunction with that. Mercury Mars, Neptune combination and Mulders chart.

Kyle Pierce  59:29

That's nuts. Right? That's like It's like it really happened.

Tristan Paylor  59:35

Like it was planned.

Kyle Pierce  59:37

I sneaky me like, really questioned the nature of reality right? In some ways I want like in you know, it's because I did a lot of acid at one point but I wonder sometimes if like things like this are more real than Wild people's lives in some sense that in that they exist in so many people's imagination, that the like, they're kind of the equivalent of real, because they're so relevant to people's lives, these fictional characters and the events of their lives. Yeah. Somehow astrology reflects that. Well, I

Tristan Paylor  1:00:20

guess, you know, I kind of think of astrology as being sort of like, it's, you know, a way of talking to higher powers, as it were, I guess. And, you know, if, if higher powers want to talk to you, if, you know, there's some sort of spiritual consciousness out there that wants to talk to you. It can do so through whatever it wants, whether that be fictional characters, or, you know, anything else. So, you know, maybe it's a way of saying, like, hey, this story is really, this is really significant. This is a story that that resonates with people, it strikes a chord with people.

Kyle Pierce  1:00:56

Oh, yeah. I mean, it's, it is, I think, I mean, it's such a culturally relevant show. I know, like, it's funny, cuz with my son, there's like, a lot of stuff that I know, you wouldn't necessarily be particularly interested in or, but I just sort of see as kind of naturally mandatory stuff that you just need to read or see, to just be fluent in the culture in some respect. And I think the X Files is one of those things where, you know, having a basic awareness of what the X Files is mean, it's kind of unavoidable just from hearing it, hearing people talk about it. It's it's such a cultural reference. But yeah, I don't know that that makes sense. And I mean, Astrology can often point to, when a person, you know, a native or whatever is going to be important to the culture in some sense. You know, and kind of imperfectly, it's not always like super consistent, but can sometimes see that and so I mean, it sort of makes sense that, that a fictional character, if they're important enough, for will have a resonant birth

Tristan Paylor  1:02:12

chart. Yeah. And he was, he is an important one. Next event that I have a chart for, is the chart for when Mulder actually joined the FBI as a young man. And that one's pretty fun. Because using using annual perfections he was in a 12th house year. And the 12th house in moulders chart is in Leo. So it is ruled by the sun, which makes the sun a particularly important planet to pay attention to during a 12th house, you're for him. And the sun was part of a stellium in Scorpio because, of course, it was in Scorpio going through his third house when he joined the FBI, all five planets, plus the south node, we're all sitting in his third house right on top of the Mercury, Mars, Neptune conjunction in Scorpio. And here is this, you know, gifted paranormal investigator

Kyle Pierce  1:03:16

sun, Pluto, Moon, mercury, and Saturn, and the south node.

Tristan Paylor  1:03:22

They're all packed in there. So I enjoyed that. And then using cell phones in his tent city. Yeah, that's right. And then, you know, using a more advanced technique of perfections, I noticed that his second house was also highlighted that year. And it highlights Venus in the first house, which is the ruler of Mulders second house. So again, kind of pulling in those themes of identity and purpose into that year, this is like a major shift for his identity. And, but also, the second house is a house that I think we shouldn't sleep on when it comes to career. I actually I'm noticing more and more that I noticed the second house being relevant to what somebody does, more so than the 10th of the midheaven. Like over and over again, I see the second house says a lot about what somebody does as a job. And you know, a year where the second house is, is highlighted, because the second house represents what supports our lives, our literal our livelihood, you know, our money or resources or assets, and how we get those things and how we maintain those things. So a year where that house is highlighted, you know, it's kind of unsurprising to see like, hey, you know, he that's a major promotion. He's officially an FBI agent in this year. And that will be you know, for the foreseeable future, how he pays his bills.

Kyle Pierce  1:04:51

Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of what people use the sixth house for nowadays, not that I don't think that the sixth house has anything to do with work. You know, does I just think that a lot of those significations, I would look to the second house for is kind of like, yeah, just how you make your money, you know, which may or may not be, you know, connected to your reputation. Yeah. Which is more 10th house. Yeah, I totally agree. Or you know, what you're called to do? You know, you're sort of Yeah, in the world.

Tristan Paylor  1:05:19

I totally agree with that. And the last event, from Mulders life that I have a chart for, is when Agent Scully walks into his office. And this one is probably my favorite. So, Mulder,

1:05:43

there's a clock in the background of that

Tristan Paylor  1:05:44

episode, too. Oh, you know what? I should? I should look,

1:05:48

I remember. I don't know why I remember that.

Tristan Paylor  1:05:49

I'm pretty sure there is a clock. Do I mean if you want to, of course it

Kyle Pierce  1:05:55

is. But that's if some reason it's occurring to me, and it's making me feel like

Tristan Paylor  1:06:00

alright, well, I I'm not gonna do that right this second? Because that will take a long time. But yeah, I'm definitely gonna see if I can find an exact time for when Scully shows up in his office and they become partners. So that event happened

1:06:18

what to do a bonus or something.

Tristan Paylor  1:06:21

Episode or we have the

1:06:23

Yeah, well, we always chart makes me wish I had done scaly

Tristan Paylor  1:06:28

or that yeah, that'd be cool. But you know, we got to have some like, I feel like we X Files is horror, but your characters a little more like traditional horror. So I think that's,

1:06:38

you know, yeah, it's not nearly as

Tristan Paylor  1:06:41

I don't know, we'll see. Anyway, sorry, what was I saying? Mulder was 30 years old when Scully was assigned to be his new partner. And that was, drumroll please. A seventh house year? Saturn. The seventh house represents partnerships. And if my rectification is correct, and Mulder has Virgo rising, that makes Pisces his seventh house. And not only does Dr. Dana Scully have the sun in Pisces, but at the on the day that she became his partner, the sun and Venus were both in Pisces transiting through mother's seventh house. And that's me.

1:07:36

Yeah. Well, that's with that Saturn Return.

Tristan Paylor  1:07:40

Um, he wasn't having a Saturn Return. He his Saturn was yes, I didn't return it ended already because Saturn was in Aquarius when he met scholars a bit there. And his Saturn is in Capricorn. So yeah, it was just after his Saturn Return that Scully turned up, which is kind of funny, because I do sometimes find that like, you know, the, the Saturn Return happens. And then, you know, there are sort of consequences of the Saturn Return that occur later. And I feel like Scully is definitely a grounding influence on Mulders. So, you know, maybe through his Saturn Return, he'd sort of matured enough that you know, the powers that be in the universe were like, Okay, you can have Scully now. You're emotionally ready to have, you know, a professional partnership. And, you know, in a way a more than professional partnership, because however you define their relationship, they grow extremely close and become it's very subtle. Yeah, it's like the that is they are each other's confidant. There's no one else they can really trust and no one else, like Scully does have personal relationships with family members that you see quite a bit. You know, even in the first season of the show you and you know, you meet her parents, and, you know, she's, she's close with her family, but like, you can't go home, you know, at Christmas, and tell your family details of the top secret cases you're working on. Like there's a level of intimacy that you just can't have with most people in your life. When you work, the kind of job that Scully does that requires a high degree of confidentiality, but Mulder is the one person who knows everything, you know?

Kyle Pierce  1:09:24

Yeah. Kind of like chartered HR. You know, it's like that after the Saturn Return, it's like, yeah, you graduate a little bit. So Saturn opens up like some of its restriction will events like, you get to this next layer. It's like, releasing its grip a little bit on on Jupiter. Yeah. The ruler of the seventh.

Tristan Paylor  1:09:41

Yeah, that's right. Because Jupiter does roll his his seventh house.

1:09:47

Yeah, that's nice. It is nice. That makes me happy.

Tristan Paylor  1:09:51

Yeah, well, and they're on a on a happy note because you know, all their stories is full of dark twists and turns but

Kyle Pierce  1:09:59

now I'm I feel like I'm gonna be watching the show now with this chart. Oh yeah, I'm gonna keep it and saved. That's, that's good. That's, that's wild. It's, it's a little mind blowing actually,

Tristan Paylor  1:10:12

I have made a case for astrology.

Kyle Pierce  1:10:14

I know, you made a better case with a fictional character then most people have with, with real people's charts.

Tristan Paylor  1:10:24

I guess you know, I've also made a case for the importance and maybe to some extent the reality of fictional characters, you know, they live in, in our culture, they're, they're real and alive to us. And you know, they grow and change through the years with Yes,

Kyle Pierce  1:10:37

I'm gonna do this with so many characters now. Because you know, mine. Like, oh, yeah, but unfortunately, with my character, there's some controversy about the birth date. Just kind of had to pick the the most common one.

Tristan Paylor  1:10:51

Yeah, you always find the charts that have like controversial birth time. tells you, you know, yeah. And you've got to, like, try to solve the mystery of, you know, when were they actually born and what is the real

Kyle Pierce  1:11:04

thing? Nothing is easy to nail down. But I mean, there's, I don't know, somehow there's a difference, and we'll get into it. I think there's a difference between these two characters and maybe what they mean in the popular imagination. But yeah, with that we let's introduce my subject. On the night of June 13 1946 16 year old Pamela Vorhees gave birth to a first and only son. Baby Jason's was the apple of his young mother's eye from the moment he took his first breath. But his father, Elias score he's a taciturn and often violent alcoholic struggling to scratch out a meager living as a coal miner reacted to his son's birth with disgust. Jason had been born premature, his face hideously deformed, and hydrocephalus caused a skull to be abnormally large and misshapen. To protect Jason from discrimination and ridicule, Pamela raised Jason in isolation on the outskirts of the small town of Crystal Lake, New Jersey. But even in isolation, Jason was never safe from his father's increasingly naked hatred and aggression. Eventually, Pamela began hearing strange voices voices, which only grew louder, the more abusive alias became. One evening. Guided by the voices, Pamela dragged an axe in from the shed into the bedroom in which her husband slept, raising the axe with one hand, Pamela shook her husband awake with the other, so she could save her the look in his eyes before she sucked the rest of x into a skull. For years, Jason lived with his mother safely cloistered away from the hostile world which lay beyond the tree line marking the limits of the border. He's property. She was his entire world, and he was hers. Until the day came the summer of 1957, when necessity force Pamela to take a job as a cook at the local summer camp. Since Pamela had no alternatives for childcare, she enrolled Jason as a camper at Camp Crystal Lake and tasked the camp counselors with protecting Jason from persecution by the other campers. But on the afternoon of September 13 1957, to rusty counselors snuck off for a bit of afternoon delight. Giving an 11 year old Jason alone, the other campers campers began viciously talking Jason, calling him a freak show, attempting to cover his head and OpSec. Desperate to escape, Jason ran off of a dock into Crystal Lake. Pamela hearing her son's cries for help came rushing from across the camp. But when she arrived, it's too late. Jason, unable to swim already disappeared under the waters of Crystal Lake. But his body was never found. Camp reopened the next summer Despite the controversy that followed the drowning death of one of its campers. But when the butchered bodies of two counselors whose negligence had led to the young boy's death were discovered one morning, the camp was abandoned. For decades, stories circulated around town, many locals believing that the grounds were cursed. It wasn't until 1979 that an attempt was made to reopen the can was not long, however, for the councillors, taking part in the refurbishment of the grounds shown themselves being picked off one by one by an unknown assailant. Alice Hardy, the last of seven campground employees alive, managed to get the upper hand capitis the murderer killer turned out to be Pamela Vorhees bent on getting revenge on all counselors of Camp Crystal Lake for the death of her one and only Son has flipped the camp in horror, leaving the machete and Pamela's lifeless head behind. Shortly after a figure emerged from the forest. Jason Vorhees having witnessed the death of his mother had come to collect her head is less linked to humanity a river a complete severed, he silently swore that not even death would stop him from sleeping his unquenchable thirst for revenge on the blood of anyone who crossed his path his path Yeah, so obviously I did Jason Vorhees of the Friday the 13th series, which is what how many movies in that franchise like 1011 There's a ton I don't even know in one in which Jason goes into space. And I think it's maybe for that reason, I think that Jason Vorhees is a different kind of character in the popular imagination. It's a much more fantasy sort of character. I don't think we project Jason Vorhees into the real world the way that we might have Agent Mulder,

Tristan Paylor  1:15:59

yeah, we might, we might see a bit of ourselves in Mulder and Scully. We probably don't really see ourselves and Jason Vorhees as much. That's you know, what makes horror characters interesting is sometimes they're like, they're so extreme and so outside of, you know, yeah, used to.

Kyle Pierce  1:16:17

Yeah, but nonetheless, I mean, the chart, least going by what seems to be the most popularly accepted one, I think it fits pretty well. So let's go over it a bit. So I also did a little bit of rectification. I chose a Capricorn rising for Jason's chart because that would put put the out of sect malefic ruling the first, in its detriment in cancer in the seventh house, Saturn to about 23 degrees of cancer. Venus is just kind of separating from a conjunction with Saturn. Mercury is also with Venus and Saturn in in cancer, the sun in Gemini conjunct the North Node and the Moon in Sagittarius in the 12th house applying to a conjunction with the south node. Now, this indicates that Jason Vorhees was born very close to a solar eclipse, because the sun would be out of the moon will basically be you know, in the shadow of, of the Earth, because the sun began on the opposite side. Now, visually in the sky, this is what we call a blood moon. It's a rather ominous looking moon, when the moon turns red, freaks people out, it's been freaking humans out for 1000s of years. So pretty choice for a, for a horrible serial killer, but like the moon being eclipsed, particularly on the south node. Now you do get a sense of like physical or even emotional diminishment loss, sometimes, you know, can show up in the charts of like real psychopaths. That's like, it's like the the, the emotions like aren't there, you know, like they're hidden. They're obfuscated by the sun. It's actually a prominent figure. Born on the following day, which I won't get into. Stay out of the politics, but you do your research, you'll know who I'm talking about. Might be a good example of that. But anyway, we also get Mars in the eighth house, the evil evil eighth house, jupiter in Libra hanging out with Neptune in the 10th. So anywho This is a night chart, obviously.

Tristan Paylor  1:18:50

So we've got someone born at night, very close to dinner Eclipse, under a full moon,

Kyle Pierce  1:18:59

it actually wouldn't have been a blood mood and the next day, like an extra day, and it would have been visible on the other side of the world. Yeah, but for astrological purposes. It's still that hey, we if you see like the luminaries with the node or with both nodes, you know, you're looking at the significations of an eclipse in the chart which aren't always you know, horribly negative but

Tristan Paylor  1:19:21

but if you're in a horror movie is this another like John I think genre awareness is very important when you're analyzing your own birth chart you know like if you do certain shopping in a nice yeah, if you live in a nice neighborhood and like nothing much exciting goes on and you know, you were born during an eclipse you know, it probably means something you know, perhaps a little bit less extreme. But if you are like in a horror movie and you are a horror movie character and you were born with, you know, the luminaries near the Eclipse points, then you should be worried. Yeah, well that people should be worried about you. Yeah, that scriptwriter has plans for you.

Kyle Pierce  1:19:59

Yeah. Yeah, and well, I guess that's part of the reason that I chose Capricorn rising. You know, it's putting Saturn in its detriment in, you know, a complicated sign for Saturn in cancer in the seventh house. And really, the kind of main theme around Jason Vorhees life is revenge for his mother, which may not be super obvious with the seventh house, but the seventh house is the house of open enemies.

Tristan Paylor  1:20:29

That's right. And

Kyle Pierce  1:20:33

there's a good argument to be made for Aquarius rising too, because the six or the 12 you can there's actually a lot of debate about it. Six can be like hidden enemies, the enemies that you can't see. So can the 12 sort of overlap.

Tristan Paylor  1:20:50

I feel like in his case, the enemies are pretty obvious.

Kyle Pierce  1:20:54

Yeah, well, but they're also even after he had killed them. I think that the second movie begins with the the sole surviving character, the one that killed his mom being killed. And I'm actually on a big Friday the 13th fan, I found the backstory interesting. I like the idea of these movies, or like the idea of the characters, but slasher movies were never quite my thing. But they are a very Venus Saturn thing. Like, there's something about, about the that particular kind of genre of slasher movies, which was very wrapped up in in sex, there's a kind of weird sexualization of the violence that's going on. And that happens with all serial killers really mean usually real serial killers, do so because they achieve sexual satisfaction from doing so. So being Saturn conjunction is pretty relevant there. But you know, there's kind of a mixed bag with that, too, because Saturn is being enclosed by benefics. So Venus is separating by a couple degrees from Saturn. And Jupiter, is actually stationed in the 10th house, sort of hurling array back at Saturn at 17 degrees. So Saturn has aspects from benefics on either side of it without any other planets, throwing an intervening Ray. And traditionally, it's kind of associated with things sort of going your way and stuff like that, and I find in practice, is that what happens is that you still get like, you know, you'll still get like monolithic stuff, potentially, still kind of get the problems, it's just that they don't end up affecting you affect other people, sort of like you get sort of protection from it, sometimes at the expense of other people. But it really kind of makes sense. In Jason Vorhees case, where the dude doesn't die, like you know, even when he gets killed, he was resurrected in some way. I think in one of movies, he ends up possessing the bodies of some other people after he's killed. But he, you know, kind of miraculously escaped death in some way. Like everybody thinks he's dead for what, 20 some years and he's actually just living in the forest. It just it sort of ties in with the dispositor of the ruler of the first being in the 12th house. Being the moon, eclipsed by the South Node. It's multiple significations of being hidden.

Tristan Paylor  1:23:40

I just I think that was the piece that sold me on on your rectification of this chart. As you know, the ascendant represents your life force basically. And its ruler you know, is kind of any anything that's happening to to the ruler of the ascendant and a chart is sort of like you know, happening to that person's life to their body and physical vitality. So for the ruler of his ascendant to be, you know, Saturn in detriment you know, says a lot about how challenging his life is, but you know, the fact that it is being enclosed by Jupiter and Saturn or Jupiter and Venus so that it's being sort of protected by Jupiter and Venus. And he just he literally does not die he just keeps coming back is hilarious and a perfectly fitting feeling. Maybe you know, we should translate a little bit of this astrological jargon we're using so that you know, people are,

1:24:37

are in much more considered about that than I am.

Tristan Paylor  1:24:41

Well, they'll figure it out, they'll go they'll google it, maybe like you know, Hellenistic astrology is also one of those things that has a lot of jargon that people are Yeah, you know, Hellenistic astrology is still sort of making its comeback after 2000 years or whatever. So, yeah, everybody knows. There's some there's some jargon that is now popularly known. So, this is a pretty complicated concept to explain, but I'll do my best. You know, if you're following along, if you're looking in the show notes that Jason for his chart, and you look at Saturn and cancer, it's at 23 degrees of cancer. So you know, you think about every planet in this chart that could make an aspect to 23 degrees of cancer, and how close they could get to an exact aspect. And the planets that make the closest aspect by degree on either side of 23 degrees of cancer are Jupiter and Venus, Venus is at 25 degrees of cancer. So only, you know, two degrees away, on one side of Saturn, and then on the other side of Saturn, Jupiter is in Libra, and Libra and Saturn are Libra and cancer, square each other, they make a square aspect. So you know, just a few degrees away on the other side, Jupiter is throwing a square aspect to Saturn and so Saturn is just nicely cushioned. You know, between an aspect from Jupiter on one side and a conjunction with Venus on the other and no other planet makes a closer aspect. So you know, if you it's it's not a super intuitive thing to spot in the chart, but you know, if you're following along at home, and you're looking at your own chart, or whatever, you know, get in the habit of looking to see like what are the closest aspects on either side of a planet? And if they're both been ethics that planets got like, it's kind of in the lap of luxury. So it's a funny, you know, it's sort of contradictory where you have this very extreme like, night chart Saturn in detriment, but getting this nice little cushion from you know, the soft, fluffy planets Venus and Jupiter. Yeah, which are very conducive to life. You know, Venus and Jupiter are life affirming, and life supporting, you know, they're about all the things that you need for life. You know, Jupiter brings the rain that makes food grow, and all that kind of stuff. And

Kyle Pierce  1:27:09

yeah, I think in practice, it plays out differently in different ways. But

Tristan Paylor  1:27:14

yeah, in his chart it plays out is you know, he's got kind of a messed up life, but he doesn't die. It's

Kyle Pierce  1:27:20

still there. And the malefic is, it's been able to dish out lots of punishment, but it's not really, you know, it's resilience. Really, it's really hard to kill because it's protected.

Tristan Paylor  1:27:32

Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's not a nice, a nice planet, necessarily. Yeah. Good luck getting rid of it.

Kyle Pierce  1:27:38

Yeah. But I mean, in practice that, you know, can be more favorable for actual people. But yes, I think that it really depends on the context. What you're doing,

Tristan Paylor  1:27:52

who's writing the script of your life? If it's a horror writer, you have trouble.

Kyle Pierce  1:27:56

Yeah, yeah. But it's also just fitting for you know, Jason is masked, you know, he always has that hockey mask on, or the will the second episode or second movie, he had a cloth bag over his head or whatever. But his face is always covered to cover a conceal a birth defect, you know, physical deformity. I mean, you get like Saturn, you know, feigning appearances, disguising oneself. And then, you know, cancer, just it very much deals with kind of the physical body a lot. And also his life is very much wrapped up with his mother, you know, which the moon gets a lot of significations of the mother. And, you know, you see some difficult planets in cancer, some cancer stuff going on, you know, you might see some stuff tied in with not just mothers but like nurturing parenting, that's cancer is things going on with the feelings and topics and subjects of caring, of giving, giving shits about people and people giving shits about you. And that was a pretty complicated topic for Jason Vorhees. But so, I mean, you also get like Venus is the ruler of the icy, you know, which carry some of the significations of the fourth house sort of a floating mini fourth house a little bit. You know, I don't know if you do the exact same thing, but I mean, like if you have like the ice in another house than the fourth, when it comes to topics of like home and family and stuff. I'm going to look at both

Tristan Paylor  1:29:31

Yeah, I do that too.

Kyle Pierce  1:29:33

Even if it's not like super closely configured or whatever.

Tristan Paylor  1:29:37

You know, in case any anyone's unfamiliar with the term I see it. It's the opposite of the midheaven Yes, it's not always labeled. You know, when you cast a birth shirt online, they don't always label the IC. And it's it's sort of a if the inner heaven there's the mid heaven and then there's the lower heaven essentially.

Kyle Pierce  1:29:58

Yeah. Yeah wildcards don't cast the South Node either for some reason we just don't want yeah into the the bottoms of things.

Tristan Paylor  1:30:07

No, though it's like talk about the ascendant and the descendant too, you don't always see the descendant labeled you'll see the ascendant labeled you know, if you're using whole sign houses, you'll see the ascendant labeled but not always the descendant. Yeah. Just interesting. So, you know, we want

Kyle Pierce  1:30:25

my social media presence.

Tristan Paylor  1:30:27

Exactly. Yeah. Like, not, you know, not what goes on at home, not what I want. Yeah. Not my relationships with other people. It's just, you know, yeah, what I look like to the world is what's important apparently, Sam tells you a lot about our culture, I think

1:30:43

Western pathology

Tristan Paylor  1:30:47

anyway, yeah,

Kyle Pierce  1:30:48

I mean, are, you know, guilty of it to some degree too, of course, but yeah, and then Venus also rules, you know, the 10th house and so, you know, it's Saturn is like maltreating, Venus and Saturn are and Jupiter. Saturn is overcoming Jupiter by square. Venus is kind of escaping from from Saturn a little bit. But imagine, I don't know, seems to get everybody in the end. But

Tristan Paylor  1:31:19

it's so funny how that that whole relationship between Venus Saturn and Jupiter in his chart is really complex.

Kyle Pierce  1:31:26

Yeah, I mean, I guess in a sense, it's like he's, yeah, I mean, he's, he's killing he's hurting Venus and Jupiter. But Jupiter and Venus are sort of protecting him. But yeah, in practice, it's like he's killing everybody. And nobody can really quite kill him. They can kill him for a little bit. But

Tristan Paylor  1:31:45

they can delay him or briefly contain him.

Kyle Pierce  1:31:47

Yeah, just keeps coming back. And it's like tied into his 10th house. You know, what's visible, you know what? The movie that we watch where he's doing all that nasty stuff. And you know, Jupiter in a sense of you're like a real person. You know, he's Jupiter's delivering some thing to Jason Vorhees.

Tristan Paylor  1:32:06

This is true. He is famous. He is a cultural icon. Yeah. And you know, Jupiter gives gifts, fame and status and authority up in the 10th house is your public image. So there you go. It may not be, he may not be well known for good things, but he certainly has cultural influence.

Kyle Pierce  1:32:26

Yeah. It's been a bit since I've done an episode of killer Cosmos, but I'm thinking looking at so many serial killer charts. And even the ones that I've done, episodes on so far, it's like, you know, benefics a lot of times they stabilize and affirm nasty stuff. That you keep getting away with stuff for a long time. If that's your prerogative to do nice things. So yeah, but not always making things nice. Maybe making him nicer and easier for you.

Tristan Paylor  1:32:59

The birth time you've you've given him and his birthday, he would be born during both the day and hour of Jupiter.

Kyle Pierce  1:33:07

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that's really all I mean, what's what is his whole life is all about, you know, entertaining folks.

Tristan Paylor  1:33:18

He is an entertainer. He is an entertainer. When I think of like, when I see Venus conjunct Saturn, you know, I think about unconventional pleasures. And you know, the sort of worst case scenario is, you know, getting enjoyment or entertainment, Venus significations from really dark and scary stuff Saturday. Which, you know, in maybe a less sinister way. You know, his chart maybe represents what horror movies do for us. We're like we do. We, you know, play scary video games or watch scary movies for pleasure. You know, we go to a haunted house for pleasure. Venus is pleasure. You know, Venus conjunct Saturn is like, well, I'm going to take pleasure in going to a haunted house and you know, yeah, shit scared out of me and seeing all kinds of dark spooky stuff. Yeah, fear or paling, yeah, fear of getting enjoyment from fear of pain. There's a sort of catharsis that comes from that. And there's a sense of like, being able to sort of confront the darker side of life and like a safe contained space. You know, it's like the movie isn't really you know, you can turn it off at any time you have complete control over the experience. So, yeah, I do think a little bit of that, you know, watching horror movies as recreation seems like a very, Venus Saturn signification

Kyle Pierce  1:34:44

Yeah, definitely. I mean, it's definitely not going to always show up is, you know, something like sadism. But, you know, like, Markita Saad, we were talking about earlier, you know, sometimes you'll see Venus Saturn in, in charts of people like that. But there Lots of like, healthy, natural ways that that plays out, you know, we all got to make peace with the fact that pain is a part of life and reality, you know, humans can be very helpful in making that more digestible. Yeah, and that Saturn stuff.

Tristan Paylor  1:35:15

There are ways that all day you know, restriction and pain can, you know, play out in a nice healthy way between consenting adults. And, you know, that's kind of the nice side of Venus. Saturn is like, helping you you know, find a more pleasant way of dealing with those realities of life.

Kyle Pierce  1:35:34

Yeah, actually, I feel like this chart really does a good job of describing Yeah, Jason Bourne. He's in his life and stuff, but like, what the what the character is doing for us, you know, it's very much other rising the, the the pain and giving us pleasure, it's in the seventh house, you know, Saturn, right on Venus in there's actually like a mutual reception, like a mixed mutual reception with Jupiter is in the exaltation, and Libra of Saturn, and Saturn is in the exultation of a Jupiter in Cancer, right. So the kind of like, exalting each other sort of

Tristan Paylor  1:36:10

something like that might soften that relationship between them a little bit.

Kyle Pierce  1:36:15

Yeah, like in practice. But yeah, it's like a, I don't know, it's like, here's beer, like sitting in the first house watching. You're kind of like, looking across in the theater. I'm almost like imagining like a movie theater, being the first house being like, the seats to the movie theater, somehow has been like the screen 10th being kind of like, the overarching purpose, and what it's all about, you know, it's about it's an out of sect. benefic you know, it's like, maybe not the most tasteful form of entertainment in the world, but it is, nonetheless, doing something for people scratching, some required itch, something that needs to be processed in some way. Think horror movies, I know that like when I'm feeling particularly stressed out or, you know, having like, much negative emotions, I like horror movies a lot. There's something like cathartic about it. It's like as, I don't know, something to like, purge, or, you know, process heavy emotions, or even like, project them out. And something else, it's not has nothing to do with me. And even you give perspective, to, you know, the horror movie of your life is nothing compared to the one you're seeing on the screen.

Tristan Paylor  1:37:28

I love the metaphor of the first house being the audience and the seventh house being what's on the screen. Because the seventh house is the other and it really is like, you know, it, it fits Jason's chart really well, that his identity represented by the ruler of the first house is wrapped up in the seventh house and the other where, you know, his, he sort of doesn't have an identity of his own, like, his identity is like what he is to tell me who to be. Yeah, he's what we need him to be, you know, we need a we need a slasher for some horror films. Yeah. And, and I like I like the metaphor where you know, you your first house is sort of like you sitting in the audience and the, the seven Harris's is what's going on on the screen. And then I think of the 10th house as being kind of like, what happens when you get outside the theater and you interact with the public when that movie becomes a very, like, large scale cultural phenomenon, you know, and like, everyone's talking about the latest Halloween movie, and everyone's talking about it on social media, and so you go out and interact with the world. That's, that's the 10th House parrot.

Kyle Pierce  1:38:43

You know, when I see the ruler of the first and the seventh that that often plays out is somebody's sort of watching it's like they're kind of experiencing their own life was like watching themselves through other people's eyes, you know, the, there's kind of like a sort of projection equality. It's like you're it's like you're watching yourself on a screen and actually, a lot of actors have the ruler of the first and the seventh it's like playing the parts of other people

Tristan Paylor  1:39:07

you know, they are whoever you need them to be. Yeah, and their

Kyle Pierce  1:39:11

identity is pretty much wrapped up in who you think that they are and degree that sometimes it's hard to tell the difference which we all struggle with some degree Yeah, you also get like Mars in the in the eighth house, you know, ruin ruin the fourth house, and the mother was not only a serial killer herself in the house of death, but is also dead from decapitation.

Tristan Paylor  1:39:38

His story is so wrapped up in his parents Yeah. Which you kind of see all over his chart. And you know, with like, especially if this is a night chart and you've got the moon as the SEC light, you know, sort of like the source of light in the chart, and the moon often represents parent But it's like in the 12th house and conjunct the south node where it's kind of in this like dark place. And you know, the ruler of his fourth house is Mars in the eighth and like, you know, the traditional in traditional astrology the fourth house would be the father and the 10th house would be the mother. And I mean, you know, as we've discussed and or I guess, we haven't published that episode yet. Sorry. Nevermind.

Kyle Pierce  1:40:26

Yeah, yeah. Yes. You'll, you'll find out you'll you'll have no reason to listen to every episode.

Tristan Paylor  1:40:32

Yeah. Always. Remember, ever? Yes. Yeah, traditionally, the fourth is the father and the 10th is the mother. And you know, I don't stick to that strictly because, you know, I'm not crazy about the whole gender binary and everything, but I'll keep it in the back of my head, I tend to use

1:40:50

isn't working very well. Yeah.

Tristan Paylor  1:40:54

I usually just sort of stick to the fourth house for both parents. But I mean, even if you were to use the traditional fourth is one parent, and the 10th is the other parent. You know, the fourth house ruler being in the eighth representing, you know, the parenthood being wrapped up in death. And then the 10th House ruler is Venus, which is, you know, stuck in that conjunction with Saturn. That's ruling the show. Yeah. So it's just like, either way, whether you use the fourth of the 10th to represent one or the other parent, you know, both parents are kind of represented by planets and some sticky situations and you know, as mother murderers as father, so, yeah. Oh, yeah. Again, do you know if you have things like this in your chart, please do not. It does. It does not mean these things. Your life is hopefully not being written by a horror writer. But his was?

Kyle Pierce  1:41:49

Yeah, I feel like that's kind of the main juice that I had. was probably some of the things that occurred to me later, but I do have his Oh, sorry. Yeah, go for it. Yeah, please.

Tristan Paylor  1:41:58

Oh, just that his midheaven is being ruled by Mars in the eighth house. Yeah. Yeah. So another, you know, indication of his public image is, you know, larger purpose in the world is, you know, the death planet and the death.

Kyle Pierce  1:42:14

Yes. Yep. I guess I missed my true calling. Have you heard that death in the eighth? Maybe I should have been a serial killer. You know,

Tristan Paylor  1:42:24

it's never too late.

1:42:25

It's never too late to start. Yeah. Yeah.

Tristan Paylor  1:42:29

Or maybe you should just, you know, write horror movies.

Kyle Pierce  1:42:33

Yeah. That's part of why I'm not a great writer. It's part of why I started the cosmos. Remediation for my chart.

Tristan Paylor  1:42:42

Yeah, that fits really well. The ruler of your 10th house is Mars in the eighth make a podcast about serial killers?

Kyle Pierce  1:42:49

Yeah. It's funny, though. Like, just on the subject of the eighth house says how can we after all, because I would call that like, if you were to give a genre to each house, sometimes like to conceptualize the houses as like, oh, what genre movie is this house? You know, they have houses this is horror, you know, make it suspense, thrillers as well like it but there's so much in the eighth that isn't that has nothing to do with death. It's like almost like there's a vibe. And kind of like distill all the houses down to like a vibe. Yeah. Seven is also associated with death. Yep, the fourth as well. Even the 12

Tristan Paylor  1:43:25

Yep. Yeah, you've done life where life and death are everywhere in the chart. Because that's really what everything boils down to at the end of the day. The two the two inevitabilities Yeah, birth and death. Yeah, I think the the fourth and the seventh third sort of under represented in the discussion of symbols of death in astrology. Yeah, the sun is seven houses where the sun sets you know, it's literally with the Sun dies and then you know, it reaches the the turning point at the fourth house. If you're tracking diurnal motion, you know, the seven terraces, that horizon and yeah, and then the fourth house is solar midnight, where, you know, it's the darkest point of the day. And that's sort of like the turning point where once the sun has crossed that point, and resurrection begins and you're headed towards sunrise and you know, the whole cycle of birth and death begins again. Yeah, but the for the sort of like the deepest part of the underworld, like right between that turning point.

Kyle Pierce  1:44:24

Yeah. Also getting off into the weeds a little bit you know, death this death is like the one thing that you do like alone, or you know, you don't get company necessarily least not with, you know, other tangible human beings. And the fourth house is very much the Unknown Secrets the things that you know, that the other people don't ya experiences that you are very conscious of experience vividly, but you know, it's not part of everybody else, not something that nobody else can see. And what's more, you know, on what is death more than than that?

Tristan Paylor  1:45:02

Well, it's got deep

Kyle Pierce  1:45:05

eight houses, I think more like after death, which is why you get ghosts and ghouls and you know,

Tristan Paylor  1:45:10

yeah, medium ship and also inheritance and stuff like that. Yeah. How does death affect the living? I think it's a big part of the eighth house. Yeah, people die. How does that change your practical life is it's the opposite of the second house, which is a very concrete tangible house about resources, right, like, you know, we share resources, and we leave resources to each other when we pass away. And a pencil has a lot to do with that sort of concrete side of death.

Kyle Pierce  1:45:38

Yeah, really, this actually take a quick opportunity to, because next Halloween, so I really wanted this for this Halloween, my original idea, but you know, didn't really enough time to, to send the message out in advance. So I'm going to do it now. If anybody listening has an interesting eighth house placement, find it in the eighth house or the ruler in an interesting place. Or if you just have like an awesome ghost story that you and you want to share your chart. And you know, Tristan, and I can do the job and figure out where that might be showing up. Please, please, please, please share that because I would absolutely love to do that episode next Halloween.

Tristan Paylor  1:46:20

Yeah, that would be super fun. Just like spooky eighth house stories. Yes. Because I do I see it show up a lot with with people. I have, you know, someone significant in my life who has Venus ruling the first house from the eighth and has a very profound spiritual connection with the deceased. Yeah. And, you know, believes in ghosts and all that kind of stuff.

Kyle Pierce  1:46:47

Yeah, I'm very I love that, that stuff. I love hearing those stories. I'm very glad that I don't get that version of the eighth house. I have to live it. I just, you know, hear the stories. I want to hear the stories.

Tristan Paylor  1:47:01

And my my lot of fortune is in the eighth house and, you know, still hoping that a ghost will show up and be like, Hey, I know where there's some buried treasure for you. New ways to like move into a haunted house. And the ghost is like, I know where the location of like some, you know, 100 year old riches are on this property. Let me show you. Have you pretty sweet.

1:47:23

Yeah. Well, you ever

Tristan Paylor  1:47:25

if I was a fictional character in a fantasy universe with a lot of Fortunately, that was that would probably happen to me but real world so yeah, not as likely.

Kyle Pierce  1:47:33

fourth house like buried treasure too.

Tristan Paylor  1:47:38

But yeah, yeah, death and buried treasure being kind of symbolically connected.

Kyle Pierce  1:47:43

But I mean, we both have the ruler of the eighth and the seventh. And I don't get this but you you have like more relationships with like, spirits and that sort of thing, in a sense, right?

Tristan Paylor  1:47:54

Not with necessarily like eighth house II type spirits because I think of the eighth house I tend to think of like, you know, the spirits of the dead.

Kyle Pierce  1:48:03

Yeah, well, I mean, I think that things would fall well so I think the eighth house don't necessarily have to be formally living things should be part of like, you know, what's on the other side of the veil?

Tristan Paylor  1:48:11

Right? Yeah, like what is you know, that's where the sun is beginning to set and sort of going going to the other side to the you know, world where things are that we don't see it doesn't necessarily just have to be death. It could just be you know, yeah, all of those kind of mysterious things that we can't fully understand.

Kyle Pierce  1:48:30

can't quite see make out. Yeah. I think a Mars in my eighth house. Fuck off ghosts.

Tristan Paylor  1:48:38

Mars is scaring the ghosts.

Kyle Pierce  1:48:40

Thanks Jeff, anything next I have I did one little transit for Jason Bourne.

Tristan Paylor  1:48:51

Nice. Oh, go for it, sir. We got way off track.

1:48:54

No. So it's interesting conversation. Yeah,

Tristan Paylor  1:48:57

it's Halloween. We're talking about you know, the fourth and eighth houses and spooky astrology

Kyle Pierce  1:49:01

spooky. Yeah, I want to talk about spooky stuff. That's like gonna be like all year, probably. Somebody

Tristan Paylor  1:49:06

only. I only want to talk about stuff. I know.

Kyle Pierce  1:49:09

I Yeah. Okay, we're gonna head out here. So I did look at the date for Jason's death, or initial alleged drowning. It's September 13 1957.

Tristan Paylor  1:49:27

All right, I got it. Got it.

Kyle Pierce  1:49:30

All right. And really, I'm just I'm just gonna read this off the cuff because I just pulled it up. So see what we see. So I mean, do you see that there is you know, the moon is on the south node in the fifth but there's a kind of a repeat of the aspect in the sky, which is actually something when you see configurations transiting configurations when something is activated. In your chart, even if it's not like in the sign or making an aspect to the planet in your chart. I do find it that like often shows up in your life in some way. So like, in this case, this would have been a 12th house here for Jason because he was 11 years old. And in this rectified chart here, I have the moon flying to the south node in the 12th house, wow.

Tristan Paylor  1:50:16

Saturn is right there in your

Kyle Pierce  1:50:19

Saturn, which the moon rules in his chart, Saturn is transiting the 12th house. And you also the house placement of this configuration makes a little bit of sense where you know, the the moon, the moon was in Taurus applying to the south node, similar to in his chart, which is going to happen multiple times throughout that year. But um, you know, it does involve children, it's children who are attacking him and causing him to run into the water, causing him to kind of undo himself some degree 12th house and taking my B take my time, literally, the South note is on the icy, right, which really, if we're looking at, you know, the fourth house is having some death indications. It's really the icy, which is like the bottom of the chart. And in Jason's case, he became not visible to other people. And people thought he was dead. But he really just disappeared under the surface of the water and lived in the woods for the next 25 years. Well,

Tristan Paylor  1:51:30

then there's the 12th House traditionally represents what happens prior to birth. And I find, you know, when you're looking at perfection years, there's a sort of cycle where you know, the 12 house, you know, as we've discussed the 12 house a lot on the show already. It represents endings, its closure. The first house is birth, it's new beginnings. So in a 12 house a year, it's kind of like tying up all the loose ends. And then the first house here is, is getting a fresh start, or a bit of a rebirth, which you know, for most of us, is symbolic. For Jason Vorhees. It's quite literal, where during his 12 house year, he quite literally dies, or at least seems to die comes very close to death. And a stage of his life dramatically ends. And he ends up you know, coming out of that and having a new life in a sense. Yeah. And Saturn, naturally rejoices in the 12th house, the 12th house and Saturn have very similar symbolism. And it was Saturn transiting through his 12th house during the 12. This year, were drowned. Sort of like, you know, here's here's the end of this part of your life and you know, soon you will begin a new phase of your life. Yeah, in a really dark and creepy way because slasher flick. Oh, yeah.

Kyle Pierce  1:53:02

And, I mean, there's even like a signification for drought. Like you could pull drowning out of Saturn in cancer, you know? Yeah, very heavy and water.

Tristan Paylor  1:53:10

Yeah, a lot of the really old school significations for Saturn have to do with the sea and with sailing, Oh, yeah. Fishermen. It's interesting. I mean, it makes sense. Because, you know, we, I mean, it's not something I learned. Yeah. And it's like, traveling by sea is nerve racking, because it's just you're surrounded on all sides by death in the unknown.

Kyle Pierce  1:53:32

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're you're doing Saturn, when you're on a boat, you construct this sort of little island to protect you from what's otherwise a extremely hostile environment for humans. But yeah, this case, you know, Saturn is coming to the planet that rules it, kind of wanting to succeed, it's coming for the rest of the story. And, you know, what, the South Node not always like, so extremely awful and tragic. But, you know, some sort of loss or diminishment, or, you know, especially when it's being eclipsed, the moon being eclipsed, you know, something's going to disappear. Then something's going away.

Tristan Paylor  1:54:13

The light is disappearing. Yeah. That Jupiter transiting the 10th. Literally having a Jupiter return is interesting, too, because you were just starting to comment on Jupiter rules, Jason's 12th house so it would have been, you know, one of the primary Timelords the most important planets to look at by transit during a 12th house year and, you know, the 10th house is your public image. So there you go. It's like he's having a Jupiter return in the 10th house when Jupiter is the time or it and this was sort of the moment that brought him fame.

Kyle Pierce  1:54:47

Yeah, I mean, it's like, from what I've seen in the first movie, I think it's the first ones the only one I've really watched and it's really the beginning of the story in a sense. You know, you get some maybe dribs and drabs, but you actually get Like clips from, you know him drowning. So it's like the beginning of the visible story.

Tristan Paylor  1:55:06

Mm hmm.

1:55:07

The part that you, you know, you see,

Tristan Paylor  1:55:10

now that is when he becomes seen by the world and acknowledged by us, the public

Kyle Pierce  1:55:18

and about the Uranus transiting Pluto in his eighth house. I mean, that's gonna be the mean. Yeah, it's, you can pull meaning out of it, but go there. It's too broad of a transit. Yeah, I mean, it's a period of time.

Tristan Paylor  1:55:36

Yeah. But it is like, sort of adds a little bit of additional, you know, background flavor, sort of, like, this is the time, you know, if this is going to happen in the world, it's going to happen at this time to somebody. Yeah. With these two, you know, with this with Uranus sort of meeting this generations Pluto sign, you know, somebody in this generation is going to experience something wacky.

Kyle Pierce  1:56:02

I mean, it was pretty strange. What's going on? Yeah, I mean, it was pretty, actually I mean, the movie itself was pretty Thank you remain as Pluto It was shocking. Yeah. Still is it's like an unsettling movie to watch me now. It's like we've seen worse at this point on special effects but the shock value added was definitely part of the the gimmick if you will a part of the appeal. I don't know it's more or less all I got. That's probably good for for Jason Vorhees. So you got anything you want to add?

Tristan Paylor  1:56:35

No, I think I've got I think we've been we've been going for

Kyle Pierce  1:56:38

this is a fun one though. I'm like, this is fun. Probably one of the more fun like I've always like, I always have fun coding these but this is like, was like more relaxing. I don't like it. These are fictional characters, and we can play with them a little bit.

Tristan Paylor  1:56:50

Yeah, it's like, you know, there aren't any sitter. It no Jason Vorhees and Fox Mulder are not going to lose any sleep at night, over what we've said about their birth charts. Yeah.

Kyle Pierce  1:57:01

But it's also like, kind of new to I don't know, it's like I'm learning something new about astrology. Doing this is that wow, this actually kind of shows up for these fictional characters.

Tristan Paylor  1:57:11

Yeah. Yeah, the planets are always talking to us. Like they want to talk to us. Yeah.

1:57:19

What are you guys doing?

Tristan Paylor  1:57:21

Could you tell us stuff?

1:57:22

Could you guys

Tristan Paylor  1:57:25

making snide remarks about our lives?

Kyle Pierce  1:57:29

It's Mars. In the ninth, I don't know, it's like a just actually, yeah, Mars is about to go through a death and rebirth. Because it's the sun is applying to Mars.

Tristan Paylor  1:57:42

Oh, yeah. It's part of the synoptic cycle of Mars. Yeah, there's gonna be a shift in the Mars cycle.

1:57:48

Yes, a new Mars will be born. The first one was die.

Tristan Paylor  1:57:53

Yeah, it's got a plunge into the heart of the sun. That's another thing for people who don't, who aren't familiar with the synoptic cycles of planets. That's another fun thing to follow as an aside, Synod is the word meaning assembly. So synoptic cycle is any cycle of sort of meetings between two or more planets. And usually when we say we're referring to a planets, like with the sun, because you'll you know, when you're actually stargazing, it's very obvious, you know, you'll sort of watch this star, you know, it comes out, like with, you know, Mercury recently was an evening star, and then you see it, you know, start to disappear into the sun, and then emerges at a different time of day. So it's almost like, you know, the star falls into the heart of the sun, and it burns up in this fiery furnace, and then it's reborn and it appears at a different time of day. Yeah. Which is very, very cool and beautifully symbolic. You can draw a lot of meaning out of those events.

Kyle Pierce  1:59:00

Yeah. Yeah, no, I could. We could totally go into a discussion about that, which Yeah, we should probably not because it's too much for talking about like everything in every episode.

Tristan Paylor  1:59:14

Now, we're everywhere. Yeah. It's chaos. In this chaos ruled people. Mars moon yeah, that's it. Yeah, it's the moon is just like all over the place. Like it moves so quickly. It just jumps from place to place to place to place like we got to cover all the ground.

Kyle Pierce  1:59:36

Yeah, but Mars is like more directed chaos. You know, I'm gonna point the chaos at something at a target and yeah, make it blow blow up. But the moon is more like whoa. What are you just blasting that chaos everywhere? Oh, yeah. I'm bringing you into it for hugs.

Tristan Paylor  1:59:59

Thank you. You are thank you to our listeners for sticking through our chaos. You got to cancer rising hosts you too Moon ruled hosts. We're never just going to totally stay on topic.

Kyle Pierce  2:00:13

I do want to hear from the cancer risings if you are a Halloween fan or just did the series but like a Halloween Do you love Halloween? Do you love Scorpio season? Is this a fun time for you cancer risings? Yeah, or is it not? I would like to know that too. Actually, more so because I have you know, now I'm just assuming that all cancer risings have Halloween. That may not be true.

Tristan Paylor  2:00:37

Yeah, I want I want to know, yeah, if if our fellow Moon ruled people take joy in the Scorpio time of year.

Kyle Pierce  2:00:47

So anything you want to plug,

Tristan Paylor  2:00:49

Oh, right. Supposed to promote myself. I am, I am still, as always doing our long Birth Chart readings over zoom for 50 bucks Canadian. So you can book a reading with me through my website, which is bad sign astrology.ca. And you can also find me on social media. You can find me on Instagram, or on Tumblr, as bad sign astrology.

Kyle Pierce  2:01:21

Awesome. And you? Yeah, I'm trying to promote I am actually doing doing a pretty wild and crazy thing a little bit. So I have Uranus transiting for a second time, the sun and Jupiter in my chart there are very much together. And the sun was my second and Jupiter rules my ninth. And it's like an offering that I would like to do to Uranus. Or to just maybe in honor of that transit is for a limited time until that aspect is exact November 9 for me. I'm going to be offering free birth chart readings that are just you know, you have the option of donating it into my chart to well and I was thinking, you know, I'm not super busy right now and I'd like to read some charts. So can book a reading with me at my website CalPERS astrology.com head on in and you know, if you want to leave a donation that's always cool too. But outside of that, you know, my secret projects are always in the works. And one day they will see light when the time is right. And that's when you'll know about them. Yeah. So

Tristan Paylor  2:02:43

nothing I was gonna ramble I was just gonna say when those secret projects emerge from the 12th house and to the light of the first house

Kyle Pierce  2:02:56

or the Scorpio fifth house. Yeah, I'll see it when it's ready when I can see it.

Tristan Paylor  2:03:02

My watch you when you've earned it. Yeah,

Kyle Pierce  2:03:06

when I deem you worthy Yeah, well, thank you, Agent older and to lesser degree. Jason Vorhees for sharing your charts with us and your pinky. Thank you all for less happy

Tristan Paylor  2:03:29

Halloween happy Scorpios have a happy

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