The Signs of the Zodiac II - Astrology 101
Tristan Paylor 0:04
Hello, and welcome to astrology hotline podcast where we answer your questions about astrology. And today we are continuing to do something a little different from the usual answering questions. And continuing with part two of our podcast on the signs of the zodiac with our special guest, Bonnie of Mayday Astrology. Hey, Bonnie.
Bonnie May 0:29
Hey everyone. I, Bonnie.
Tristan Paylor 0:32
And of course Kyle is here with me as
Kyle Pierce 0:34
always. Yes. Always, forever.
Tristan Paylor 0:39
How is everyone today? On this fine Full Moon in cancer evening?
Kyle Pierce 0:43
You know, yeah, we're actually recording right on the full moon. Or just Yeah, it's
Tristan Paylor 0:49
it started like, it went exact, I think. Wow, you're anyway 10 minutes before we started.
Bonnie May 0:55
It did. Yeah. It's been a really intense one for me, like on my first house and second seventh house. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I guess the feelings.
Kyle Pierce 1:05
Yeah. Oh, that's, that's every day.
Tristan Paylor 1:10
Every day is feelings.
Kyle Pierce 1:12
I'm doing great. We're recording on a Monday and Monday, the day of the moon and I always have I always made a practice of having Monday's off. Even before I got into astrology.
Bonnie May 1:23
That's great for a cancer rising to have Monday's off.
Kyle Pierce 1:28
And then I get to like, look forward to recording all day. It's good time.
Tristan Paylor 1:32
Sir sacred day. Yeah. I've been thinking about making Monday, my weekly no phone day. So I will be my my day of rest from electronics. Yeah,
Bonnie May 1:43
that's a good idea.
Kyle Pierce 1:43
It's probably a good idea. Speaking of communications, and electronics, I believe we are resuming our discussion of the signs by starting with the Gemini Sagittarius axis. Yes, indeed, which leaves Gemini is very heavily associated with with communications and things like playing with your phone.
Tristan Paylor 2:08
Yeah, we've got Gemini is a mutable Air sign. In the Northern Hemisphere Gemini happened the Sun moves into Gemini, I was gonna say Gemini happens at the end of spring, which is kind of true, but more specifically, the Sun moves into Gemini. At the end of spring,
Kyle Pierce 2:25
a Gemini happened. The phenomenon of Gemini,
Tristan Paylor 2:28
Gemini, Gemini. And being being ruled by Mercury, which is all about communication, and just generally bridging, existing in the space between two worlds is kind of Mercury's thing. And Gemini is appropriately symbolized by the twins who, you know, can be in two places at once.
Kyle Pierce 2:49
Yeah, and then Sagittarius the counterpart to Gemini be on the the opposite time of the year. Would that be beginning of November?
Bonnie May 3:03
Yeah. Transitioning from fall to winter?
Tristan Paylor 3:06
So it's the the end of November. It's basically the whole holiday season. You know, if you're living Thanksgiving party time, yeah. Yeah, like getting ready. Getting if you celebrate Christmas, your tree is up when Sagittarius season arrives. Yeah, and your gift shopping and all that kind of stuff. It's lots of festivals of lights happen, you know, in December, in various traditions, and that's very appropriate for Sagittarius season being you know, ruled by jolly Jupiter and jolly generous gift giving Jupiter who's very kind of Santa like,
Kyle Pierce 3:44
actually, it's making me think you wonder which sign likes to shop more. I would think Gemini would like to shop more than Sagittarius
Tristan Paylor 3:54
gem Gemini is like Mercury does rule commerce is interesting. So maybe there is you know, there's one sort of common trait between Gemini and Sagittarius already is actually a connection to money. Which, you know, usually people think of like the earth signs as being the money signs, but instead, Sagittarius is definitely about wealth and authority. And, you know, Jupiter is sort of the bestower of wealth and riches and Gemini being ruled by Mercury, the planet of trade and commerce and you know, money is sort of the flow of money buying and selling.
Kyle Pierce 4:30
Yeah, it's an interesting point because, um, to Gemini and Sagittarius, they're both like they are good at bringing money in, in different ways that kind of like the transactions and the things like around money, but say, like, inherently, the it's like the money isn't necessarily the good of those signs. You know, like, it's not necessarily like the goal or the main prerogative. I think like Gemini would really enjoy the process of like bartering the process of finding the deal Not the kind of Thriftiness of Gemini, and Sagittarius like the adventure of shopping but the novelty,
Tristan Paylor 5:10
like gift giving your Sagittarius is generous and wants to bestow wealth on others and Gemini is gonna try to strike a deal or bargain.
Kyle Pierce 5:20
Yeah. Well, and I guess before we get too deep into the science, and there's couple basic things that I want to lay out for Gemini and Sagittarius just kind of going with what they think we did with the other signs I can't remember but it's Gemini. Yeah, we're moving into our first set of mutable signs are double, traditionally called Double bodied. The idea that they're between teenagers between you know, we already talked about that stuff. But Gemini is an Air sign. Sagittarius is a fire sign. So we're moving into like more active or outward focused signs, then the last two, Scorpio and Taurus. And I think one of the things I actually find it really easy to see sometimes almost to my own detriment where I feel like Gemini and Sagittarius have a lot in common. There's a lot of commonality there. It's like easier to see than some of the others like Taurus, and Scorpio, you can definitely see that definitely harder with maybe Aries and Libra. But I wonder if that maybe has something to do with the science as a pair. Not really being involved in traditional exultation fall. Dynamic.
Bonnie May 6:47
Yeah, cuz, yeah, Mercury and Jupiter. Ruled signs are kind of interesting the way they work. Because, yeah, so like, for example, if you had because Sagittarius is Jupiter ruled, but if you had a Mercury in Sagittarius, it would be in there its detriment. Yeah, detriment. And then if you had a Jupiter in Gemini, that would be in their detriment. So they're, it's interesting, because they're like, polar opposite signs. And but what is kind of different with them with the Jupiter and Mercury signs is that they're squaring each other? Yeah, like the way they're placed.
Kyle Pierce 7:21
It is something I find interesting about Jupiter, and mercury in their signs. It's like they can't escape each other. They're like, Yeah, always, like in dynamic contact, actually becomes interesting with anybody with like a mutable rising sign, it's like, well, the ruler of the ruler of the first is always the ruler of another angle, you know, and then the other two angles are ruled by another planet. And so you really can tell a lot about mutable rising person by the relationship between Mercury and Jupiter. Because those are the planets, ruling the angles of the chart and their, you know, their interaction is going to say a lot about the dynamics of their life.
Bonnie May 7:59
But um, it's really interesting.
Kyle Pierce 8:01
Yeah, I guess, teeming with like you're saying, I mean, Gemini is the it's the cup of daytime domicile of mercury, and Jupiter is the the daytime diurnal sign of Jupiter. And I think that the, the North and South Node exultation system like that idea came, like more like the medieval era. My right, Tristan.
Tristan Paylor 8:27
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was something that popped up in the medieval tradition, maybe in the late classical period? I'm not sure.
Kyle Pierce 8:36
Yeah. I guess I do like to think about that. Because I do like to think about the expectations and the domiciles. You know, the planet that is closely associated with the sign will tell you a lot about the sign. And I'm thinking about the North Node, theoretically, at least, exalting and Gemini kind of makes me think of the compatibility with North Node and Gemini and the just kind of the more onus the, the, it's very compatible with the North nodes excessive nature. Yeah. The Gemini is always excessive. It's just, it has its fingers in many pies. Right.
Tristan Paylor 9:19
Fingers in many pies is a good way to describe it. I think. I always I feel like I say this a lot. But it. It's fitting that I've heard the joke that Gemini is interested in so many things and wants to follow so many pursuits that it has to split itself into two people to be able to do them all. And you know, when I think of the very Gemini and people in my own life, they're constantly surprising me with the number of jobs they've done in fields that have absolutely no connection to one another whatsoever. The number of hobbies they have the number of projects they have on the go, just constantly working on multiple things at a time. Many of which have no common thread connecting them. I don't know how they get the time or how they do not completely burn themselves out. But you know, when you think of the the classical image of mercury with the wings on his feet constantly going, you know, from here to there delivering messages from place to place. So just stopping briefly in every single place, and you know, picking up a bit of information here and there, that tells you a lot about the spirit of the sign of Gemini.
Kyle Pierce 10:27
Yeah,
Bonnie May 10:28
yeah, it's kind of like they're trying to get all the information they can from different places, so they can piece everything together. And I think Sagittarius is are kind of similar in that way. Like, I feel like I meet a lot of Sagittarius is that I've done a lot of jobs or like different things because they like to like meet new people and get new experiences. Like they're like, I think that we're I think Gemini is more about doing a lot of different things to gain information and knowledge Sagittarius that are about like the experience in the journey. Yeah,
Tristan Paylor 10:56
it's more about the like, search for meaning. The the wisdom, yeah. Yeah, like Gemini is curious. And Sagittarius wants to find meaning.
Bonnie May 11:05
Or like meet new friends or like say, Oh, I went to this, like, party over there. And I met this person who did this. And yeah, all these different story. They like to collect stories.
Kyle Pierce 11:15
Yeah. Yeah, like that. Secretary definitely likes to collect stories go on and like adventures. I think that, I mean, you get so much commonality between the two signs. You're looking at them kind of broadly, it's like they're both very outwardly focused, like any fire or Air sign, but they're, you know, they're both kind of fun loving. They're both interested in new things and novelty. And they're both kind of as a result a little bit noncommittal, right, a theme that comes with both Gemini and Sagittarius. Like, they don't necessarily want to be held down to one thing. They like to move to the next thing and the next thing often, but I think you get with Sagittarius is there's a little more purposefulness with that, that seeking quality.
Tristan Paylor 12:06
Yeah, they're on a mission. It's not like, Gemini is sort of like, you know, I'm doing one thing and then I see something shiny over there, and I'm distracted, I'm just gonna go run after it because it's shiny. Whereas Sagittarius feels more of a sense of like, purpose or mission. Like, you know, I'm I'm driven by some like moral or spiritual or political reason to pursue this new cause, or go or pursue the same cause, but in a different direction, like go to a different place to be able to continue pursuing this cause or ideal.
Kyle Pierce 12:37
Yeah, I think that's also where you get you kind of see how Gemini, while it's, you know, very active and involved in lots of different things. It's actually really good at listening. One of the archetypes of Gemini is the student because they're just curious. Gemini is very driven by curiosity. And Sagittarius is kind of like that professorial energy. A little good. They're very good at like age. Yeah. sagely espousing opinions maybe not always good at at listening. Not Not always but a handful of sages that make it a point to make sure that their this takes a little extra effort. See, get so enthusiastic. They're both very enthusiastic signs.
Bonnie May 13:35
Yeah, and I think one thing they do have in common is like information, but they just see information very differently. Like Geminis are like some of the Geminis. I know I'm very impressed by like, how much they are good at fact checking fact checking things. And I think that's like a theme I noticed with like the North Node and Gemini and the south node, and Sagittarius, which is ending very soon, but it's been there for like a year and a half. It was just like, looking at the media and, you know, thinking about how we interpret the media and like, who, like whose perspective, this is the story being told from I think Sagittarius is kind of more like, let me tell the story with this angle, like, you know, this with this kind of agenda, whereas like Gemini is like, let me you know, back check everything and like see who has like bias where and like, trying to be as objective as possible, which is, you know, it's not really possible to be completely objective, but I think Gemini has that kind of spirit of trying to be objective. We're a Sagittarius will want to like paint like a really like a big story a really interesting story, something that will persuade people.
Kyle Pierce 14:38
Yeah, like,
Tristan Paylor 14:40
why Yeah, really good point. Yeah. And I think of Gemini I think of like critical thinking and detail oriented like whereas with Sagittarius I think more of Yeah, like wanting to tell a compelling story and not necessarily being as concerned with whether or not all of the the tease They're crossed and the I's are dotted in that story.
Kyle Pierce 15:03
Yeah, the facts aren't so important. It's more about getting the message across the theme, the philosophy
Tristan Paylor 15:11
higher. So it's like, your ear is a little more like, detached in a sense. And a fire is a little more like directly involved and passionate, more emotional.
Kyle Pierce 15:26
Yeah, yeah. And when you think about like, the elements of Gemini and Sagittarius, you get air and fire, and air moves, the quickest of all the elements, you know, it can get from one place to another, you know, the air that you're breathing, and now you're outside, you know, the wind blows, and it goes over there can move, you know, through the forest and around the trees, while Sagittarius like mutable fire, it spreads, it catches, and you know, like a forest fire drop a match in the forest, it'll spread and catch you drop, a bunch of them will eventually kind of coalesce into one big fire. But you don't get the same kind of movement with Sagittarius. So it's definitely one of the faster moving science. But it's a little more honestly efficacious. Like, it is a little more impactful. It's more geared towards impacting its surroundings. While Gemini is a little more observational.
Tristan Paylor 16:35
Yeah, like that's a really good point of like being Saj being like really directly involved and present and Gemini being more like sort of the anthropologist observing everything going on.
Bonnie May 16:47
Yeah, yeah, I think that's why people kind of stereotype Gemini as being too faced or, you know, it's I don't necessarily think that, you know, Geminis are like to face but they are trying to be in different places and learn different things. So they can kind of see, like a story from different perspectives. So people might interpret that as like being maybe misleading or like lying, but it's not really lying if you're, if you're just like looking at, you know, a story from different angles and trying to see trying to see like, where the truth is in between everything, but it can come across as like, very confusing, for sure.
Tristan Paylor 17:27
Yeah, it's like the, the ability to, you know, hold conflicting and contradictory information and perspective simultaneously, and kind of like, give them all a fair shake, seeing from different perspectives at once. Whereas Sagittarius is like, very sure of the truth. Like, there's a conviction with Sagittarius, which is one of the ways that they're really opposite, or Gemini isn't a sign. Like on its own, of course, I'm talking about signs in the abstract, not people, but like, on its own Gemini is not a sign of strong convictions. And it kind of needs to not be a sign of strong convictions, you know, in order to do his job, you know, it needs to be able to see from all different points of view simultaneously, and not necessarily choose a side. Whereas Sagittarius is like, very sure of what side they're on and that their causes just and have like a strong moral compass and sense of right and wrong. Which can be very power, a very powerful force for positive change, but can also like come off as a little preachy, or like narrow minded to where Gemini seems more open minded and open to different people's stories and experiences. Sagittarius is a little bit more likely to be like, Well, no, your perspective is just wrong.
Kyle Pierce 18:37
Yeah. No, that's a really good point. Actually, that I would say is probably one of the defining differences between Gemini and Sagittarius is that is just the approach towards morality or correctness or you know, morality is really maybe the best word and that Gemini is not looking at things through that lens. So much it's which lends to its open mindedness and receptivity and because it will, people with a lot of Gemini or Gemini planets are well listen with interest in very diverse perspectives, right there. Like I said, already really good listeners typically, and very unbiased, while Sagittarius because it has this orientation towards finding truth and correctness and you know, more morality and philosophy. It has this interest in different viewpoints, but more in the purposing it towards a broader narrative, Jupiter style Yeah.
Bonnie May 19:51
Or maybe like selecting the, you know, like listening for the things that makes sense with their narrative for Sagittarius and like, including that in their narrative But kind of, you know, ignoring the other parts they don't like as much.
Tristan Paylor 20:06
Confirmation bias.
Kyle Pierce 20:08
Yeah. But I like to give Sanchez a hard time about that sometimes though, there's a tendency to listen, take what they're hearing it, but it's almost like they block out parts of it too, that don't necessarily jive with their narrative. And that can maybe be the weakness. One of the weaknesses of Sagittarius to watch out for is that that bias, but I would say Sagittarius is much more inclined towards bias, and maybe being blinded by its bias.
Tristan Paylor 20:41
You look like you ever thought
Bonnie May 20:42
funny. Yeah, I was thinking I was gonna try to pick on Geminis to balance it out a little bit. Well, because I really admire like Gemini is like, quest for like truth and objectivity. But I think one thing is that they can be like really caught up in trying to find the objective truth and like that can be nearly impossible. Because I guess like we could, you could argue make an argument that it's like impossible to find true objectivity. You can get close, but you could spend like all day trying to sort through information. And you know, you know, eventually you just have to make up your mind. And so that can be hard for Geminis as I get Yeah, that could be hard for Gemini is is making up your mind. And yeah, picking aside and you know, maybe they don't want to do that.
Kyle Pierce 21:30
Yeah, I think Geminis are perpetually up to minds.
Tristan Paylor 21:34
I think it'd be another one of the ways in which Gemini and Sagittarius are opposite. And I think we'll we'll see this come up again, with a Virgo and Pisces the other two signs ruled by Mercury and Jupiter that are opposed to each other. But mercurial signs have a certain grace to them. There's something very, like quick and efficient and graceful about Gemini. Sagittarius is a little bit more like moose stomping through a forest. Yeah, so I always think of like two people showing up at a party like Gemini has very good social graces, like knows what to say when to say it. Like, it's something that you know, maybe it's similar to Libra, like their fellow Air sign. Or with you know, with Libra it's more about like, being tactful and impolite and like knowing how to set people at ease. And with Gemini, it's more about like, being clever, and, you know, knowing like, you know, a little more cutting with their words, but like, nonetheless, like very good with their words and know how to sort of persuade people and get them on their side and, you know, would, would show up to a party and not necessarily like, you know, slam the door open and come in and make a big splash, but just like sort of, you know, slipping in and out of conversations and, you know, saying all the right things to the host, whereas, you know, Sagittarius is just gonna slam the door open and slam their boots down the floor and be like, I am here so loud and not quite as as graceful but there's something endearing about both right like you you're like entertained and pleased by like the cleverness of Gemini, but you also have to like love just the raw honesty of Sagittarius. It's just like, you know, I am what I am kind of thing.
Kyle Pierce 23:28
Yeah. I love that. I know I've used the Kool Aid man analogy before in a different context, but there is a Kool Aid man quality to Sagittarius sometimes where? Yeah, the grand entrance is very Sagittarian. While I would say Gemini is more going to, like Kristin was saying, clever, like wants to be clever. Probably more put together like is going to maybe notice the details like How's my hair looking? Like, make sure the hair looks nice. Make sure the teeth are clean. Little more, maybe not as fastidious as Virgo, but more detail oriented. Sagittarius like just wants to kind of make sure it's giving the right impression overall, you know?
Bonnie May 24:13
Yeah. Yeah, I think of Gemini is kind of like cute little nerds. Like sometimes I think sometimes Geminis can be a little bit socially awkward, but I'm really cute, clever way. And like with Sagittarius, like a lot of the Sagittarius is I meet are really funny because they'll just like be kind of like, yeah, gregarious, and like, boastful, and like, silly and like, tell fun stories. And every now and then they'll just like, drop some kind of wisdom. And people were like, what, and then they'll just go back to being kind of silly and be like, butts or whatever. And so a lot of that shares. I mean, like, have that kind of personality where it's like, you know, like, it's almost like they don't want to be taken too seriously. But then every now and then they do have like some like something wise to say.
Tristan Paylor 24:55
Yeah, think of like, is Sagittarius is sort of like Santa Claus. Um, and although, you know, I guess Santa Claus is kind of graceful in that, like, he does go up and down chimneys despite being like an average size fully grown human man can somehow do that. But you know, I think of like, Santa Claus is like, the image of Sagittarius and like the little elf who like works in the workshop is like the image of of Gemini.
Kyle Pierce 25:22
Yeah. Oh, I like that. I like that a lot. It sounds a little
Tristan Paylor 25:28
weird to see like creatures are very, very common. I, you know, and they like, they get into stuff and you don't they're, they're sneaky. You don't like realize they're there. They're like a little, you know, there are all kinds of like folktales and, and traditions of, you know, little, like pixies or brownies or little household spirits like living in your house. And if you don't honor them properly, they play tricks on you. And like you can easily see them like you're not if a Sagittarius is in your house, you know, they're there. They're not hiding there's no concealing Sagittarius.
Kyle Pierce 25:58
Yeah. I'm all in so many different things but really glad you brought up like the the trick playing tricks thing with Gemini. Gemini is so about playing tricks. Just know about your if you know any Gemini people, I would be willing to put money that at least half of them not more. I have some sort of interest in not like magic so much as like, little slights of hand and little ways to like, you know, like little tricks really mean things like party tricks.
Tristan Paylor 26:36
Or like you riddles. Yeah. Gemini, or like my my best friend when they so my best friend's son in Gemini, I hope they don't mind me telling the world that they have a Gemini sun. But they have the sun in Gemini. And they've been running little like just monster dungeons for my partner. And I'd practice different d&d classes. So it's not like there's no sort of narrative or anything involved. It's just, you know, they create a dungeon and they plan out all the monsters and encounters and whatever. And there was an entire section of the last dungeon they put us through where there was nothing but trolling. Like we get it, there's a set up so there are like all these these different rooms. And it's pretty clear which one is going to lead to the final boss, right. It's like the one in the center with like the stairs leading up. So like, you know, we get through all the other rooms, they're all straightforward. You just walk through the door, there's a Boston there, you deal with it, you leave. And then we're like finally ready to get to the final room. And we go in and it's just like an empty hallway. And then there are a bunch more doors on either side. So we're like, Okay, what the hell and we go into one and there's nothing in there except a jar of bees. And there's another one we go in into and there's nothing in there but a bunch of empty sets of armor and a bunch of those trick chests where if you try to like open it they they're actually living things and they bite you. And then we get we get into another room and there's just a button in the middle of the room. No, no creatures, no beings, nothing else in this room, just a button in the middle. And of course if you press it a bear falls out of the ceiling. And there's like a room where there's a chest inside and there's a note on it that just says Do not open magic swords. And of course my partner has to open it and there's just it's exactly what it says it's magic swords and they come in and attack you you have for some reason like oh my god just nonsense like that until we finally get to the final boss. And of course they like trick us first before we get to the final boss. It's just like a bunch of inside jokes in there. So this is this is what you get when you hang out with Geminis.
Kyle Pierce 28:52
I love that that's actually like so perfect and so Gemini and just using going along with the d&d analogy like that would be like the field of Gemini and setting up a d&d game would be that the designing the dungeon itself, and like all the little rooms and like the the traps and everything, the prizes you get in there, but Sagittarius would want to write the quest narrative.
Tristan Paylor 29:19
Yes, of course the quest prizes for our dungeon were also Alteryx where there was one it's literally a fork, but it's like it's all it's described. It's a fork, but it's it's a oh my god, what was it called? Curse it spoon. You have like a disadvantage on ability checks to eat oatmeal and soup with it. These These were the items that we found at the end of the dungeon. That you're absolutely right. Like that's that's how that's how Gemini plays the game and Sagittarius it's like I'm concerned with character development and like a purpose and a story and there's like a hero you know hero Like, they're gonna achieve some sort of ultimate goal and there's going to be like a moral lesson at the end of the story. The end of this story is just me messing with you.
Kyle Pierce 30:11
That's perfect. Actually, I'm curious if your friend has more than just the sun in Gemini, but
Tristan Paylor 30:16
you just the sun reveal everything.
Kyle Pierce 30:17
But, um, that's actually, Bonnie brought this up to Gemini can be like, I would say, of the two signs more bashful or something that's like, it's not it's like, outward. Maybe it's not as worn I'm looking for. Like, we were saying before Sagittarius like, wants to make that, that kind of big show that big grand entrance and Gemini in like more of an interpersonal way is gonna, like want to be impressive. But, like studying the nakshatras a lot lately, and there's this nakshatra in Gemini, and I couldn't even tell you the name of it because I can't remember but I've been setting up little just names English words for me to like, help remember just what those nakshatras are about. I just call it the Bambi nakshatra kind of represented by like a deer. And this sort of like bashful, like cautious approach to like love and relationships, but which makes up a big chunk of Gemini. And I do know a lot of like Geminis that are like that, that have they're a little more on the shy side. While Sagittarius I would say is not not bashful in the least.
Tristan Paylor 31:41
Yeah. Of the of the woodland creatures. Yeah, Gemini is like butterflies and rabbits and squirrels. And Sagittarius is like, you know, big have woodland creatures, deer and moose are they like still very majestic. But you you know, like a moose does not or a bear. They don't care when they're walking through the woods. They're breaking everything. They're making tons of noise, like you hear them coming, you know, they're there. Whereas you know, the Gemini is like, maybe maybe you know they're there. Maybe you don't?
Bonnie May 32:14
Yeah, and that relates so much to the planets ruling them because mercury is like the smallest planet. And like very quick moves very fast. And Jupiter's the biggest planet and just, you know, huge and you can't miss it.
Kyle Pierce 32:30
Yeah, I always think about the Weasley twins. With Gemini, they like they went sort of magic shop. And while they're, you know, maybe a little more boisterous, a little more.
Bonnie May 32:39
Yeah, they're Aries. Yeah,
Kyle Pierce 32:42
yeah, they definitely get some areas probably partly to sagittal view and there. But yeah, you can't, if you're making a big grand show all the time. And if you're so obvious and visible, you can't play tricks on anyone. I mean, Gemini can be, you know, more stealthy, and it's a little more, it's gonna have a lot more precision, and Sagittarius and its approach to things.
Tristan Paylor 33:04
Yeah, Sagittarius is the big picture. This sort of broad perspective.
Bonnie May 33:08
Yeah, and Gemini is Yeah, more about the finer details like I think Gemini is is really good debaters. Always the ones willing to play devil's advocate much to a lot of people's annoyance, like wanting to argue both sides and just like have a discussion. Whereas Sagittarius I think gets maybe a little bit more decided on what and doesn't really want to hear out different point of views as much.
Kyle Pierce 33:33
Yeah, I always like to think that Geminis are good arguments because they've already had all the arguments with the other invisible version of themselves. But they're
Bonnie May 33:41
talking to so much guy and there's so much going
Tristan Paylor 33:43
on in their head. The inner monologue never stops. Yeah.
Kyle Pierce 33:49
It's it's gonna be a thing I think when we're wrapping up any of these sign pairs, but
Bonnie May 33:55
yeah, I guess I was just gonna mention again because I think it was mentioned before in the beginning about how they relate to the seasons. Just to go over that again, because Gemini, at least in the northern hemisphere, Gemini relates to the the end of spring transitioning into summer and I think of that as a time that has like a lot you know, it with mutable air like there's a lot of like insects and bugs and bees like flying around and pollinators you know that that I see that a lot with like the sign of Gemini just love quickness, love moving around. And then with Sagittarius, so you have the transition from autumn to winter. And I think I think y'all mentioned this before, but just like that's like the party time. And it's also you know, it is like the time where we transition from an even darker part of the year, which is, you know, like when we get into Capricorn season, that's where it gets kind of more real and like, Oh, this is like hard and we have to preserve our resources, but the Sagittarius part is kind of like the, you know, hey, let's all hold it together and like be optimistic about this time. Though I really see that in that part of the season I'm like, let's try to hold on to your optimism and joy and keep us all together and tell stories and get around the fire and you know, that inner like that warmth of the season of like trying to hold on to the last warmth and like, yeah,
Tristan Paylor 35:16
yeah, shining, shining light in a in a dark place is very Sagittarius. I mean, Sagittarius is really connected to spirituality as well, we usually think of Pisces as the spiritual sign, but Saj is also one of Jupiter's homes, and has a lot to do with spirituality and religion. And just like, you know, even if circumstances around you are really difficult, that like sense of faith or hope or optimism, or like you know, things that you find joy in or your like own ability to kind of shine a light for yourself and other people, despite those circumstances is very Sagittarian.
Bonnie May 35:52
It's like telling stories.
Kyle Pierce 35:54
Yeah. Yeah, both. We both definitely storytelling science in different ways. I really love that you brought up the bees and the pollination thing with Gemini. And the optimism of Sagittarius, which is like, funny that we didn't even mention optimism is so close to the end, but that is like a key signature of Sagittarius. But I'm also glad that you brought it back to the seasons because I always think about there's this quality that Sagittarius I find has and always makes me think of that. That Prince song, the party like it's 1999 The implication being that, you know, the world's gonna end the year 2000 Right. And Sagittarius can have a very like a live for the moment quality. Like party like there's no tomorrow because, you know, not thinking so much about tomorrow or and you think about how Sagittarius is like situated in between the two of the heaviest, most grim signs in the Zodiac, Scorpio and Capricorn. And it's also positioned like right on the edge of winter. And it's positioned right, you know, Jupiter, transiting through Sagittarius. It's the next sign that goes into his Capricorn where it falls. There's like a, like a YOLO vibe. I don't know. Sagittarius?
Tristan Paylor 37:21
Yeah, totally.
Bonnie May 37:22
After all the grimness of Scorpio. Sagittarius is like, Okay, we really need to, like lighten up here. Yeah. And yeah,
Kyle Pierce 37:30
I know. Somebody said break Sagittarius is that. Like, they'll like, kind of not that they're pretending to listen. But they'll they'll, like hear you, you know your sob story a little bit. And they'll be like, oh, yeah, that happens. You know how yeah, there's like a kind of a brushing off of the negative and it's like, they just don't want to hear it. They don't want to go there with with you so much, is they just don't want to because they it's like this bright spot of the Zodiac between, you know, a lot of darker, heavier topics. And it's all going on around them. But they want to hold the light together in that in that space. Yeah, it's curious space.
Tristan Paylor 38:13
Kitty. You might
Bonnie May 38:15
hear from her you might hear purring on the mic. What do you think Gemini Geminis role is in their season? Because I'm trying to think like I could definitely think of like the activity in the natural world, but I'm thinking about that.
Kyle Pierce 38:28
Bees and pollinators pollinators.
Tristan Paylor 38:29
Yeah, you totally you totally nailed it because there it's like in order plants are stationary they you know, their ability to communicate and connect with one another is limited and the pollinators are the ones that build those connections between them.
Bonnie May 38:45
Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, transmitting information. So yeah, in order to transition from spring to summer you need to grow more food you need to transmit between all these different plants and animals. Yeah. I guess we pick a time to drink transition to the next signs.
Tristan Paylor 39:05
Yeah, sure. That science. Shall we talk about the best signs of the zodiac? Oh, rising signs.
Bonnie May 39:14
Yeah. Especially during during the cancer full moon.
Kyle Pierce 39:19
Yeah, I know. Just one more we'll probably get really well.
Tristan Paylor 39:23
Yeah, hopefully the the full moon in cancer blesses us in
Bonnie May 39:27
our I feel like all my feelings are going to come out with this one. But the Capricorn and cancer all the feelings Yeah.
Kyle Pierce 39:36
This is the part of the show where we all cry.
Tristan Paylor 39:40
Cry break. We all tell each other how much we love each other and we have a big cry. And then we feel better afterwards.
Bonnie May 39:48
Like it's so hard being moon being ruled by the moon or being ruled by Saturn. So yeah,
Tristan Paylor 39:55
I don't know. I don't mind being ruled by the moon. Like maybe my moon was in Taurus or cancer it would be a little easier is it like I find the moon in cancer just super soothing, right like the moon is the nighttime luminary. It's all about like, really wants to be dreaming and you know, you get like a break from the hustle and bustle and activity of daytime life.
Bonnie May 40:21
Yeah, canceling things are nice and yeah, it's an excuse to like, just like yeah, well, I mean, yeah, cuz I mean, one part of is like, oh, it's really nice to slow down and relax and like, make a blanket for it. And the other hand, it's like, it feels very tender emotionally. It's just like, I need the blanket for for my comfort and yeah, processing all the feelings.
Tristan Paylor 40:40
Yeah.
Kyle Pierce 40:42
Yeah, my son has a cancer Moon conjunct Jupiter in Cancer. Oh,
Bonnie May 40:50
nice. Oh, nice. He
Kyle Pierce 40:52
like teaches me how to like process my feelings.
Bonnie May 40:55
Yeah, it's like big feelings. Really, like, good at processing processing them in like, because it's like it's in and out in and out. Yeah. Yeah, it's like in and out and then you move on and then you know, it's just like this more I guess it's more not fast or slow. It's kind of just like ongoing processing of emotions, but what's however much time it needs. Yeah, it's not sudden or anything. It's just like, kind of more stable. But just like it's just flowing. Yeah, where's the Scorpio water is like kind of stopped up and like, piling up and flooding and there's like a waterfall that comes. It's like blocked by a dam and then it comes flooding out. It's yeah, yeah.
Tristan Paylor 41:39
Oh, yeah. Anyways, frozen for years and years and years, or it's like a swamp slowly start to form. The Swamp is another it's
Bonnie May 41:46
like really deep and dark and you hide dead bodies in it.
Tristan Paylor 41:52
I always think Scorpio animate a bog. I love swamps and marshes. Yeah,
Bonnie May 42:00
I used to live in Louisiana. It was a big advocate for the swamps. They're so good. They're the wetlands.
Kyle Pierce 42:06
And that's actually something that I regret not saying about Taurus and Scorpio. And their commonality with their exes is the fertility is there. They're actually both very fertile signs. And bogs, swamps. Like rich with life. And ecosystem is super, like, dense with life and really important to like the overall environment ecosystem.
Bonnie May 42:31
Yeah, and they need each other too, because that's like, one of the one things in Louisiana is that the Hurricanes were, you know, like with Katrina, we're getting more devastating because a lot of the coastal wetlands were loss from oil drilling and those like those plants, they absorb all the water so that heaviness they help absorb it. So when you lose those plants, and there's more flooding, more hurricanes, like hurricanes causing more issues. Anyway, that would be a nice thing to add to the Scorpio tours. One. Yeah,
Tristan Paylor 43:02
it's not too late. Yeah, there's
Bonnie May 43:03
probably a similar parallel of Capricorn and cancer. Yeah, we're
Tristan Paylor 43:07
going to another Earth walk definitely is opposition. So more more reflective signs and more oriented towards like physical life?
Kyle Pierce 43:20
Yeah, definitely. A lot of very similar themes come up with Cancer and Capricorn because Taurus being the exultation of the moon, and cancer being the domicile the moon, but then you also have Capricorn as the exultation of Mars.
Tristan Paylor 43:35
Yeah, there's a lot of parallels cancer and Taurus are both very genetic signs like Jupiter exalts in cancer and you know, Venus has a domicile in Taurus and then Capricorn and Scorpio are very malefic signs where Scorpio is a Mars sign and nothing exalts in it. And Capricorn is ruled by Saturn and exalts Mars. So you've got this very, like soft, gentle sign versus this very sort of hard edged sign.
Bonnie May 44:06
Yeah. But they're flipped. And this time, it's like, the harder ones are the earth signs and the squishier ones are the water aids with Cancer and Capricorn water. Yeah, cancers very squishy and Capricorns. Like very much like boundaries and rigid and they protect. Yeah.
Kyle Pierce 44:25
That's a good point, actually. And thought about that. It's a good it's an interesting like, way to think about it because yeah, you get like the Taurus. Scorpio is like water is dealing with all the heavy dark malefic stuff. And on the Capricorn cancer access to water is like, the happy place and the earth is the dark earth.
Tristan Paylor 44:44
Yeah, the deep dark caves. I think of like, because Capricorn is very constricting like Saturn is Capricorns ruler and you know, Saturn has that sort of limiting or constricting or obstructing kind of quality So I think of like, cave diving a little bit with Capricorn where you're claustrophobic you're like hemmed in, in this tiny little space. And you know, there are like sharp things poking out of the ceiling and very dark and
Kyle Pierce 45:15
goings and bats and things that will bite you. Yeah,
Tristan Paylor 45:19
there's a there's a cave near where I live. And my Capricorn rising partner will occasionally bring me there. And the coolest thing is like, getting into just like this narrow, deep cave underground, there's nothing there isn't anything really alive in there. It's just stone. And like turning off your headlamp, and any flashlights you have with you and just being in the like, most pitch darkness you've ever experienced, like, there's no difference between having your eyes open or closed. It's a really cool sensation. If you know you're safe. It feels really cool. But I can imagine that, like, if you were sort of trapped in that situation, it would be the worst kind of terror.
Kyle Pierce 46:01
Yeah, when I was a kid, I went to I go to Colorado because my grandmother lived there. And they have the Cave of the winds. And they take you on a tour there. And then at one point in the tour, they they turn the lights off to so you can experience the darkness of the cave, and it is it's total. Not that I want to like overemphasize I want to say like Capricorn is so dark,
Tristan Paylor 46:24
it's the goddness sign. Sign.
Kyle Pierce 46:27
It is very goth.
Tristan Paylor 46:28
I used it when I was first learning astrology as a teenager, I would often guess, you know, people, there'd be certain people who like wore a lot of black clothing and like, we're generally sort of quiet and we're sort of like, you know, they had this look on them. Like they were sort of skeptically observing you all the time and I would be like, Are you a Scorpio that was always like a Capricorn. I get them mixed up because I expected like Oh, Scorpio is the dark stealthy side but the Scorpios are always like the people and like floral print dresses with like, you know, pink bows in their hair or whatever are going around looking like Taurus is so you don't know the truth and
Kyle Pierce 47:05
I'm keeping some something do that with
Tristan Paylor 47:09
Capricorns are the ones who are kind of like in the shadows, like carefully watching you sort of biding their time.
Bonnie May 47:15
Yeah, I guess as a Capricorn rising and Scorpio sun. I've done both. Like I've done I've definitely worn like rainbow streamers and like, also all black.
Tristan Paylor 47:25
So you need that meme about like having one foot in the darkness and one foot in a Hello Kitty rollerskate? Yeah, that's the way to live.
Bonnie May 47:35
Yeah, it's like goth rainbow. It's like goth rainbow. Brite. Yeah. Which I have dressed up as before.
Tristan Paylor 47:43
That's awesome.
Kyle Pierce 47:44
I mean, it's a black and
Bonnie May 47:47
rainbows, but But anyway, I was gonna say, I keep getting distracted. Yeah, with Capricorn and cancer, just like thinking of the seasons. Because I was thinking because we're in Capricorn season right now. And I was thinking I was really struck by like, the, you know, the transition from Sagittarius to Capricorn. In the Northern Hemisphere, at least, like for winter, you know, this being the time when when, like, it's really cold. And like, you're, you know, like, over here and DC, people aren't really used to snow. So why does snow people freak out, like, I know Tristan, where where y'all live, y'all are probably more used to snow. But here, people don't know what they're doing. And they run to the grocery store all at the same time. And you know, the lines are really long, and they start buying everything on the shelves and kind of freak out as if they've never seen snow. And it just like that kind of panic reminds me of Capricorn season a little bit because there's like this, like, scarcity of resources, and like, what are you going to do, you need to stock up on things but, but I also think that with with Capricorn season, like, like people that have that kind of energy, like they're really good at, just like, like, for me, for example, like I'm just like, Oh, I already have enough food, it's only for a few days, that's gonna snow, it's really not a big deal. And I'm just gonna get creative with the few, like, kind of kitchen things I have, like, I don't have exactly what I want, but I'll make use, like I'll get creative have a different recipe. And that's kind of how I see like, the winter it's like, oh, we just got to survive and like get through it. And so I think that's something useful about Capricorn season is just like that. Kind of like I guess Yeah, kind of realizing what you have and just like making use of fewer resources and knowing that you just have to get through this time and that you know, it will like because the winter solstice is also during this time when it's the darkest night so with that you get this hope that the light will start to increase so even though it is dreary, during this time for the northern hemisphere, you there is this like this sense of hope that you know, like we just have to get through this together and then yeah, I've slipped someone wants to speak to cancer as being the opposite of that of like being this like nice time beginning in the summer, like going to the beach like the sun, the water That seems like a more like, kind of abundant time, I think. But I'm sure like in other places, it's like, you know, it's flipped. So that's so I'm curious about that as well.
Kyle Pierce 50:11
I have a bajillion thoughts.
Tristan Paylor 50:14
Oh, yeah, I feel like Cancer and Capricorn is gonna be a big one for the three of us, given how important these signs are in our charts and in our lives.
Bonnie May 50:22
I'm really curious by hearing about cancer from y'all.
Kyle Pierce 50:26
Well, I really love that you brought up like, excellent points about Capricorn in the Capricorn season. And I remember this, like news was on the news. This was like years ago, maybe a decade ago, more maybe. And it was, I think it was like in Georgia, where they have like, the coldest winter they had had. And like 100 years, and the people living there, like they didn't even own winter coats, they had none of that stuff that like people living in like Michigan or Canada. Just know, they just know that, like, this is the time where you have to, you know, just kind of endure the shitty weather and
Tristan Paylor 51:07
prepared for it right, and be prepared for the thing is being prepared. Yeah.
Kyle Pierce 51:12
Absolutely. And you were saying about money with the sun entering Capricorn. And that's like, the, the darkest night is that winter solstice. And that from there, it does start to move towards, you know, brightness again. And I think Capricorn gives you the the awareness that like, there is an end to the struggle, and your goal is to endure through that end. And it's where you get kind of the commonality between Capricorn and cancer, and there's actually quite a bit in that they're both kind of, they're dealing with survival in in different ways. They're dealing with, you know, the growth of cancer, the growth and abundance, and nurturing of life and cancer. Capricorn, you get like the mean, you get death and like the the ends of lives, but also the persevering through times of scarcity. Which maybe it's good to point out. I don't know if he did this, but that cancer is the domicile of the moon and the exultation of Jupiter. Saturn is the domiciles sorry, Capricorn as the domicile of Saturn and the exultation of Mars. In cancer, Jupiter falls in Capricorn.
Bonnie May 52:32
Yeah, and what you said about, like, knowing that the time is going to end with Capricorn, like Capricorn being ruled by Saturn, like Saturn is all about time. And like, oh, yeah, this is the time period, we have to deal with this. And we just have to make use of what we have. And, you know, there's like a little bit less of a panic when you have that kind of sense of time.
Tristan Paylor 52:52
Yeah, I think I talked about this a bit on the planets episode when we were talking about Saturn and the ability to make something out of nothing I feel is very, very sad and very Capricorn. being resourceful, being creative with your resources, like Bonnie was saying, you know, I might not have, like all of my favorite things in my pantry, but I know how to make something delicious and nutritious out of whatever I have on hand, right? Like, I can take all these random vegetables and spices and I can make like a pretty damn good stew. Whereas, you know, the more sort of abundant signs might, you know, look in that same pantry and be like, there's nothing to eat. I don't know what to do. I'm at a loss. Like Capricorn always knows how to like make something out of whatever they have.
Kyle Pierce 53:39
Yeah, like Capricorn, planets in Capricorn like they prosper. Almost when when the shit hits the fan when in environments of scarcity it's almost like if you give them like a just a boatload of abundance, like the,
Bonnie May 53:53
you know, it's too too many frills. Yeah,
Kyle Pierce 53:55
yeah. What would I do with all this? Like I you know, it's a really, Capricorn is really knows how to make the best of scarcity, while cancer. Not to rip on cancer. But it's, I think of myself that my most cancer moments are when it's cold outside. I'm such a baby. I'm like an I can't just be cool with it. I'm like, it's so cold. Like lately. It's been so cold. In Michigan. We were getting down to like the single digits and it can get colder. But I'm I'm just such a baby. I will whine about it. I will. I don't know It's pathetic. Like you think cancer is
Tristan Paylor 54:39
Yeah, cancer wants to be comfortable. You think is a key thing like cancer is a comfortable sign thing. You know, things are generally comfortable when they're in cancer. The cozy. Yeah, you're cozy you feel safe and secure. in Capricorn, you don't necessarily feel comfortable ever Anything is cold and hard. And in cancer, everything is warm and squishy and embrace. I think like, one thing that maybe gets missed a little bit when you know, I read descriptions of cancer is how important the concept of light is to the sign of Cancer is the domicile of one of our luminaries, one of our lights, the sun and the moon are the sources of light and life among the planets. And I have a I have a cancer whining at me right now. Buddy, you got it. You gotta go downstairs. Yeah, I'll finish my point. And then I'm going to take the dog downstairs. Yeah, we're, you know, cancer, the Sun moves into cancer at the summer solstice. And, you know, starts off the season where everything is really visible, and everything is really bright. And people want to, you know, go out and spend time with each other. There's a lot of connection that goes on. Oh, my God. Okay, I'm gonna have to, I will hold that thought you to carry on? Yeah. Okay.
Kyle Pierce 56:14
All right. I will. Are you?
Tristan Paylor 56:18
Did you do you have something
Bonnie May 56:19
really important to say? I mean, yeah, it's occurring to me that I don't know cancer as well as I do Capricorn, which is interesting, because cancer is my descendant.
Kyle Pierce 56:29
Yeah, maybe you should get to know it better. Yeah. I still, I mean, you think that's been the the thing, though, to the descendant is that you probably are a lot more, there's a lot more cancer that you're probably expect for expressing than you. You would? Oh, yeah.
Bonnie May 56:45
No, totally, I definitely see that just as far as like my relationships going. And just like being the person that wants to, like nurture someone, and that's something I've had to like, realize that I can't is that boundaries are really important with cancer. Because there can be this tendency to one nurture and take care of people and then not take care of yourself. And I definitely do that in relationships. So yeah, I need to bring in more of the Capricorn like, no boundaries, you have to have boundaries, but I think that's yeah, like, that's, that's a lesson for cancer placements is that, you know, you have to take care of yourself, too, can't just take care of other people as as greatest cancers are that?
Kyle Pierce 57:27
Well, in its really good point about the boundaries is that like, Cancer and Capricorn are both dealing heavily with boundaries, like they're creating boundaries between things in that, like, you know, cancer, pretty much home in that sense of home, that sense of security, that sense of safety, that, you know, like your house, you have a lock on your door, you you know, some people have security systems, you invite your close friends into your house, your family, or at least trusted acquaintances, you know, there's a vetting process to some degree for most people. That goes into who you allow into your, your safe space your home. And while like, cancer is very much concerned with like, Who do I lead in? Capricorn is like creating boundaries. Who do I keep in? Who do I keep in there? Like, because Capital One does to get associated with prisons, but also just like, yeah, walls and boundaries and creating walls to keep like, the bad stuff out there both ends? Like there's, it's so they're so tied together in that concept. It's just like looking at the same, like, how do we, you know, the walls that we build, we're just looking at the process from different sides with Capricorn and cancer.
Tristan Paylor 58:44
Yeah, big time. I mean, security in general, is another common theme between both of them. And I think, like, I saw a point recently about how, you know, if you've got Capricorn rising, your descendant which represents your relationships as cancer, and if you're a cancer rising, you're your descendant is Capricorn. And so, like both Yeah, both are really about, like cancer rising is about creating security, but Capricorn rising is about creating security in relationships. And so like, Capricorn, will, you know, create security and like protect people and keep them safe in more sort of, like practical ways, you know, like making sure there's gas in the car. Whereas, you know, cancer is is more about, you know, maintaining those emotional bonds like, you know, giving, giving hugs and like listening to you, you know, when you're going through a hard time and empathizing with your feelings. They're both really about like taking care of people, but they sort of do it from from different ends of a spectrum between, like practicality and like emotional closeness.
Bonnie May 1:00:02
Yeah, I think that's something that I've been reflecting on. I don't know if it's similar for y'all. But like, for me as a Capricorn rising like in my relationships, I feel like I have a tendency to take care of other people and not take care of myself. And that's where I'm trying to learn this lesson of setting boundaries between myself going back to that Capricorn rising because I do have Neptune three degrees from my ascendant so things get blurred and like, not not as great like blurring into other people's like a big thing. So, you know, it's not the stereotypical Capricorn rising signification of like being really good with boundaries, sometimes I'm not great with it. So yeah, I feel like with with both Cancer and Capricorn, there's that tendency to, like, take care of other people and like, not focus on yourself as much. So that's like, I mean, I guess this goes for like all Capricorn and cancer placements, not just rising signs, because we keep talking about because we are but yeah, I don't know if y'all notice that thing. So
Tristan Paylor 1:01:04
it's, it's important to think about rising signs when you're thinking about the signs because like, it's, it's a fun way of meditating on what the signs mean to just go, okay. If you put Capricorn rising on a chart, how do all those houses line up? Right? And what does that tell you about the sign of Capricorn? Because I think it actually tells you something about the sign itself about that signs nature when you put that side on the ascendant and then look at, you know, what's, like, you know, the the fifth house from Capricorn is always ruled by Venus, if you're using wholesalers and Capricorn is a morning goat and the fifth house is the sexy Yeah. What does that say about Capricorn that they've got this nice Taurus fifth house?
Kyle Pierce 1:01:55
Interested in? I were talking recently about the sexiness of Capricorn interesting came up with a lot. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like you have some catchphrases or something. I can't remember now, but they're, they're good and that Capricorn is an underrated Lee sexy sign. And I would say cancer might be as well.
Tristan Paylor 1:02:14
I would say cancer is definitely yeah, cancer is so sexy. is cancer. Like JUPITER is exalted. Yeah. Scorpio, like you have a Scorpio cancer rising Reiki? Yeah. So it's like you're you're soft. Yeah, you're soft and sweet on the outside, but you're actually freaky in the bed. Freaky. And
Kyle Pierce 1:02:33
what more can you ask for?
Tristan Paylor 1:02:35
I mean, I've always you're safe. Yeah, you're like the perfect safe environment like you have like good consent policy aftercare. You know, you're always got like the proper rope cutting scissors. Yeah, because the safe word copies you afterwards gives you aftercare, but that's, that's cancer.
Bonnie May 1:02:57
Especially Capricorn, Capricorn, Mars, like stereotyped as like very dominant, like people. I found that really interesting because like, I Yeah, with like, I feel like Capricorn would be like, when they are sexy. It's like very, like seek not secretive. But like, yeah, like business. It's like, I think you said this. A while back, Kyle about Sagittarius Saturn, but it was like, business in the front party in the back. Like a mullet. Yeah, oh, yeah. That was about Sagittarius Saturn, though. But I can see Capricorn being like kind of like, you know, professional in the front. And then like, you know, more freaky behind the scenes. Yeah, thanks for the leg. Yeah, both of them are about that. Sorry. Go ahead.
Tristan Paylor 1:03:41
Alright, I just think that this is making me think of the the high standards of Capricorn you know, being Saturn ruled is like, very high standards and expectations for everything, you know, which can be part of what makes them good embed is like, they want to create the perfect, the perfect scenario for their partner. But I think it's also you know, potentially one of the things that Capricorn sometimes struggles with and cancer has an easier time with is like, Capricorn is going to be harder than themselves and potentially harder on others. Because of those high standards where it's just like, certain things are just not good enough. Whereas cancer is like that, you know, supportive friend or parent who's like, you know, everything you do, they're like, that's awesome. I'm so proud of you like cancer hangs, you're drawing on the fridge, and Capricornus like, still needs some work. You know,
Bonnie May 1:04:31
let me give some advice. Give some nice like fatherly advice
Kyle Pierce 1:04:37
mommy, mommy daddy energy with Cancer and Capricorn.
Tristan Paylor 1:04:41
Oh big time. Yeah, big time or like Baby Baby energy to with cancer. For sure, big time, like, take care of me.
Bonnie May 1:04:52
It's like take care of me that I take care of you then take care of me. But you
Kyle Pierce 1:04:55
need both in the sense of like, you know, you're raising a child like you need To be loving and sweet and they need love, they need to be nurtured. They need good food, they need hugs, and cuddles and snuggles, and that's your cancer stuff. And but they also need boundaries, they need to be discipline they need to be taught, you know, don't go running across the street because there could be CARS COMING look both ways. And sometimes you have to be harsh with kids because you want to keep them safe. And the prerogatives is the same. It's keeping things safe keeping protecting and safety. But it's just different approaches. Capricorn, to me is such a it's like a cowboy energy. I always think of like it's rugged tard you know, knows how to survive in basically the wasteland that the Midwest is like it's it wasn't really thank you for giving land away because it was so on farmable. Wow, you know, can't but the Yeah, they would like raise families in that environment. And, you know, probably weren't always the nicest to their kids, but they kept them alive, right. I don't know. But a cancers like the, the abundant, you know, pasture where, you know, maybe you don't have to be harsh with your kids because the you know, everything's already safe to begin with. Well, you know, you put an overly baby powder soft squishy person or planet in you know, harsh circumstances and the struggle and then vice versa, you know, you put put the cowboy in luxury hotel room, you know, they're gonna trampled all over, all over the place and drink whiskey straight from the bottom
Tristan Paylor 1:06:36
and be like, I'm just gonna sleep on
Bonnie May 1:06:38
it. Yeah, like, where are the guns.
Tristan Paylor 1:06:41
It's just making me think of like a couple pop culture things like in the Captain America, the Winter Soldier, whatever the series was with the Marvel series where they were talking about having a hard time sleeping in beds with like, they're too soft or too squishy, because they're used to being in these harsh circumstances and like, it's actually more comfortable just to be on the floor. So it's like, you know, the Capricorn even if given like a soft squishy bed is gonna affect and are on the couch. I'm thinking of Mulder from The X Files to where you never see him in bed. He's always just sleeping on his couch. Oh, yeah. Paranoid, like you have to be ready to Mars. Yeah, you
Bonnie May 1:07:23
have to be ready. Dude. I was thinking about that because I was writing a Mars and Capricorn election packet for Star dance Mystery School. And I was like, trying to think of like, okay, Mars is not in like their own house of like Aries or Scorpio, but they're in like their best friend's house or like it's in their next favorite house of Capricorn. And what kind of house though would that be and it made me think of like, a rustic cabin in the winter of like snow covering covered it with like, firewood and an axe and a lot of like, firewood to chop, and then like guns and everything, like ready for Mars, and it's just like, very barren. And there's like this snow everywhere. But there's like, you know, there's like enough resources for Mars to just like, you know, use a lot of energy and get a lot done.
Kyle Pierce 1:08:06
Where do you live again, trust me, the
Bonnie May 1:08:07
shoot some deer was in Capricorn.
Tristan Paylor 1:08:11
I was just thinking, so I have Mars in Capricorn in the seventh house. And Bonnie has just described, like, where I would imagine my partner being where like, he hunts and he is like, he he borrowed his mom's chainsaw and like, cut down all the dead trees in our yard and cut it all into firewood. And like, that's just, he would do really well in a cabin in the woods with you know, lots of firewood and like guns. So you know, he had something to do. But he's a Capricorn rising, and I'm a cancer rising and Mars in the seventh, which represents your partner. So it's like, oh, that's my Mars and Capricorn is sort of like it describes Keith probably drives me but I do love shopping. I read that's my favorite. There's
Bonnie May 1:09:02
something like productive ethical, I'm like, Yeah, I'm I'm chopping the firewood so we have something to burn to keep us warm and keep us safe. Yeah,
Tristan Paylor 1:09:10
it's a very Mars and
Bonnie May 1:09:12
I using all that energy and I feel
Kyle Pierce 1:09:14
like maybe that's how like seventh house placements can be sometimes. Where you know, it's general it's definitely it says much it but it's, I don't know if you notice it as much Tristan, but I still see it. Capricorn is definitely your Mars. I don't know. I imagine you in that like that environment. Doing well. I think you probably like it. I don't know. You hate it.
Tristan Paylor 1:09:33
I love back control. Yeah, but no, I love getting out and roughing it. Yeah. Despite being a cancer rising, so I guess you're right. I've got my Mars and Capricorn hanging out with Saturn and Capricorn. And I'm like, Yeah, I want to, I want to you know, go live without electricity for several days and have to hike and canoe everywhere and, you know, cook my food over a fire. That's how that's how I have a good time.
Kyle Pierce 1:10:01
Yeah. Hey tangental chant Tenjin genitals. It's an aside, it's not related to Cancer and Capricorn. So I want to stay on topic. But
Tristan Paylor 1:10:18
one thing I wanted to mention, I think you might you might remember this. Kyle, I hope I'm getting this right. The star Sirius is in the constellation of Cancer, is it not? And when the Nile flooded Sirius would rise every year. Yeah. And so like, that's one of the historical connections between cancer and life and Capricorn and death is that cancer rising actually heralds the flooding of the Nile, which is, you know, what the Egyptian civilization depended on and so, you know, it represents fertility and abundant life and like enough food for everyone, and, you know, water being like, basically life itself.
Kyle Pierce 1:11:08
Yes, the abundant time of the year, actually makes me think about maybe what we were talking about in the beginning, a bit where, you know, you had both people in Georgia, who, suddenly they had winter and, but they had no coats, and it was kind of like a big deal. Because, like, how do we get coats to these people, you know, do we shut everything down and just everybody stay home. Because they weren't prepared for the winter. And that can be very much what like a Saturn Return ends up being like for people where you know, where the winter comes, and it's, you're gonna find out if you were prepared or not, around that time, but just thinking about like, the nature of life, and, you know, the moon, it moves around, Zoetic very fast, very fast moving. And keeping life maintaining life is a constant process, like you'd have to feed and eat every, like, almost every day. You gotta drink water, you gotta you never staying alive. It requires constant maintenance and, and constant vigilance. Right. And capital, Saturn. Planet, which rules Capricorn is the slowest moving of the visible planets, and it'll stay in a place for a long time. And, you know, all you need, really to destroy life is maintain deprivation, for extended period of time, and then everything dies, and only the only the ones that were prepared to survive, which is really kind of the essence of winter, in its natural sense.
Bonnie May 1:12:46
Yeah, I was thinking about how, like, cancer is ruled by the moon and the moon is like our closest ally, or like, luminary, that's closest to us. And it moves like every two and a half days, so it moves like the fastest. And how, you know, that kind of relates to like, the moon and cancer being about our emotions, and like how, like, we just like things move, and not and I'm a two and a half days, not too fast, but it is like, you know, consistent flow, like, you know, it's water, it's like, it's like changing and then when you go to like Saturn, it's like the slowest moving of the personal planets and, you know, rules, Capricorn and aquarius, and like that time of the year, and like, in the winter is like the, the time where you slow down, it's like, you can continue living and like surviving, but you have to, like slow down your needs, maybe like slept, like maybe if you are scarce on resources, maybe eat a little bit less, or, you know, you have to find ways to keep going with less and that requires some kind of slowness, and being and also not panicking. So you don't use all of your energy. That's like a big Saturn thing, too, is like, not freaking out, just like having a plan staying cool. And, you know, the, the faster moving planet the moon is like, like, I don't know what I would say about that. Because I'm trying to think about how that relates to like, Yeah, cuz it's about nurture.
Kyle Pierce 1:14:08
Things last a long time. You know, in a scare situation, like you're saying, like, you're feeding a baby, you gotta feed the baby, like every two hours.
Bonnie May 1:14:19
Yeah, exactly. Because the moon is like, yeah, it's during the time of the year when everything is growing. So you have to Yeah, you have to keep feeding, you have to keep growing. So it's the time where you're growing the most. And you have that not not luxury, but that's like the time of the year or when, when, when you would be doing that. But there's also going to be like the opposite. When like things have to slow down. You just have to keep going with what you have and knowing that it's not permanent either.
Kyle Pierce 1:14:48
Yeah, it's really the key difference you get like abundance in cancer and scarcity and Capricorn and would say like cancer well Like tunes planets to be very sensitive to subtle nuances. Think of like the Princess and the Pea. Right? It's very, you can apply that across the board a bit like, cancers are cancer, people are sensitive, you know, they're tuned to the subtleties of things. They're tuned to the needs of themselves and other people. And notice the subtle shifts, while Capricorn is a sign where you're not, I don't know that you don't have time for that you need to get to work and get stuff done. That can be the strength of Capricorn. So you're hyper resilient hyper. Yeah. Which means being insensitive to, to all the subtle nuances. You have to brush over them. Not saying all Capricorn people are that way. It's just that that is the Capricorn signification. No,
Tristan Paylor 1:15:50
that's like the pure like the the pure. Yeah, right. No, yeah, I agree. person will have a chart that complicates that, yeah, it's just like a pure archetypal song. Yeah. Yeah, that, like, cancers are sort of a finely tuned instrument, you know, they will, they will pick up on. And that's, I think, an important thing about sensitivity, it's something that in our current culture really gets devalued, I think, because it's inconvenient. And people who are very sensitive are not wrong. It's easy for like, people have sort of average sensitivity are people who are more resilient, you know, if like, somebody says, a harsh word, or, you know, makes a remark that is, like, inappropriate in some way. You know, people who are not super sensitive are, you know, maybe not even going to notice that it was a problem. But people who are more sensitive will notice. And the truth is that it's not actually any better or worse, for any of those people, it's just as bad to be in that kind of an environment. As a person who isn't as sensitive, like, it's still doing damage, right. It's like a sensitive person is sensitive to things that are harmful to life. So it's like if you, if you're really good at smelling, you know, the smell of burning, if you're really sensitive to the smell of burning, you're going to notice that the house is burning down before anybody else does. But, you know, if, if everyone just stayed in that situation, everyone is equally burning down. The sensitive person is not burning down any more than you are. So you need to listen to the sensitive people in your life, because they're the ones who notice, like, I can smell match, I can smell the natural gas leak, and you're like, I can't smell it, you should listen to the person who can smell it. Because you're also going to die like that, you know, a fire that, you know, burst into your house. So like undervaluing sensitivity, because it's, you know, we, we don't want to have to stop what we're doing and consider that what we're doing might be harmful. And so we don't want to have to listen to the voices of sensitive people who are saying like, hey, you need to slow down and reconsider these actions, because they might actually be creating an atmosphere that isn't good for life. Really good point.
Bonnie May 1:18:21
Yeah. And that's a good point that's making that's given me some ideas about the season that cancer is here. Because, yeah, the season that cancer is in is like the time of growth, and nurture. And so like you really have the like the most potential to change things during that time, like things are still changeable. Whereas like in Capricorn season, you kind of have to stick with what you have for a while. And, you know, cancer season, it's more like we can change things like yeah, these plants are still growing and like if, you know, if they're not getting enough water, or like they're not, or if like, you know, there's something blocking the sun, we need to make adjustments pretty quickly, because they're in that growing phase, and it's going to affect our food supply line down when we get to the autumn seasons. And that's going to be you know, really important. That's the time when we need to harvest the food. And so in order to get there, we need to look at how we're growing and that sensitivity plays in there like this, like things are moving fast, and you have to be really in tune with it.
Tristan Paylor 1:19:17
Yeah, like that, like being in tune with, you know, the things that are growing, how much light they're getting, how much water they're getting, how the cycles of light and dark are changing as the season progresses, how the temperature changes, the pH of the soil, like all those little things that you have to have finely tuned in order for things to grow as as effectively as possible.
Bonnie May 1:19:37
Yeah, change is faster, so you have to move with it.
Kyle Pierce 1:19:43
Yeah, that's a really good point about that's worth making great points. Cancer, one of the many things that doesn't really get represented or given enough attention I think with cancer is the is the day stability. Also the initiative of cancer is that cancer is a sign that's dealing with the most change being rolled with the moon. It it has this ability to adapt to things, but it can also respond to changes very well. And like any cardinal sign, there's a goal orientation there, where it wants to start things wants to initiate things. And the creation orientation of cancer, you know, you get a lot of like creative types with cancer is a big part of what cancer people are like. And cancer, just as a sign signifies because you know, when you're tuned in to all the subtleties of how to make something grow, how to make something prosper, you are well positioned to create things and make things happen. Yeah. And then you think cancer, like you were saying earlier system with the signs having, you know, looking at the signs that sign has relationships to like Aries on the 10th house, you know, it's a little more action oriented, and its intentions.
Tristan Paylor 1:21:10
Yeah, they're both Cancer and Capricorn are good signs, good entrepreneurial signs, they're good at growing businesses, and I see it a lot in entrepreneurs and people who run their own businesses. I see both Cancer and Capricorn come up a ton cancer even more than Capricorn. Managing with Capricorn that's that, like, yeah, Capricorn is as that like organizational quality and is good at like managing resources and you know, making something out of very little and preparing for scarcity, whereas cancer is like very good at, like you said, they're, they're tuned into the subtleties and good at like, creating growth that making something grow from like, you know, a seed to a fully grown plant and so they're good at sort of like growing and caring for a new business and like sticking with it and like responding to, you know, all the sort of crises and changes that get thrown their way.
Kyle Pierce 1:22:09
They are responsive, attentive, it's very cancer what Tristan was saying earlier about these, the be socially our relationship with sensitivity. And I, you know, I've had like clients with like, really heavy cancer placements that just look at their cancer placements, like they're, like an affliction. And it's a, I can't help but look at it cancer plants differently. Because, you know, it is it's a different kind of sign. It's a nurturing kind of sign, but it can be hard for cancer planets, to deal with harshness, to deal with all the heaviness and harshness that is going to exist in life period. It's just kind of there. And being so tuned in to the subtleties being so sensitive, is a hard it's hard to be and it's not really tolerated very well, in society, you know, we're not really rewarded in society for being tuned into our own wants and needs, you know, you gotta go to work, go, are you tired, too bad, go to work, you have to pay your bills. You know, we live in a much more Capricorn world, then maybe a cancer one ways. Yeah. That's why I think that this axis ends up being so important, because it's really just describing like, just the nature of like living beings is that you know, staying alive in a world where scarcity exists. The conditions are not always right for life everywhere, and it's just a fact of reality. Live on a tiny ball, really, in the grand scheme of the universe that has just happens to have all the right conditions for life. But even within that tiny ball, there's all sorts of threats
Bonnie May 1:24:07
and responsibilities. Crucial. Yeah. Very Capricorn and the cancer to cancers also very responsible for the growing and can't Capricorns more responsible for like preserving resources and we I can see that with these signs that are very responsible. Taking on too many responsibilities sometimes.
Kyle Pierce 1:24:28
It's not a majority in both think people overly baby answer a little baby phi significations of cancer, because it's actually archetypal ly maybe most associated with with mothers like the mature mother, mature, feminine figure that is taking care of people in like a soft, inclusive, nurturing way. Queens
Tristan Paylor 1:24:53
yeah, there's a there's a royalty to to cancer, right. It's like the sun The Moon are the luminaries, they are, you know, the two sort of monarchs of the heavens, and they're equal, right? Like, the moon is it's sort of the closest thing that we have in astrology to a symbol for the Earth itself, you know, or the moon is, you know, the one that absorbs the light of the sun. And together, you know, those two things create life, you know, the moon is basically part of the earth. So in a way, like our, the moon becomes a symbol of like, the Earth's relationship with the sun. And both of those, that they're, they're the sort of rulers of life, right. So there is like, a royalty and an authority to cancer that I think has gotten lost a little bit in modern astrology that was acknowledged in ancient astrology. And I'm glad you also you brought up the adaptability piece, because that's another thing that I think gets, we think of Gemini as being the most sort of flexible, adaptable sign, which it certainly is, but the moon actually moves even faster than Mercury. And in ancient astrological texts, that gets really emphasized and descriptions of the moon. And I think that is one of the might have been Abu Bashar who describes the moon as as being like a king with kings and like a servant with servants where, you know, the moon is able to sort of take the shape of, you know, wherever they are, and I think that's, that's a very Cancerian quality to like, you know, cancers often seem familiar to you in some way you feel comfortable with them easily, because they sort of blend into their surroundings in a way that makes you feel like, Oh, you're, they're part of, of this, like, you know, a cancer can can slip into a fancy dinner party, and everyone just assumes that, you know, they belong there, and they just kind of, you know, are able to adopt the mannerisms of the people around them. And then you know, that they can also, you know, be in a completely different circumstance, you know, they go to a sports game, and they just, you know, blend in with all the like, crazed fans and like, sort of adopt those mannerisms and everywhere they go, they can kind of seem like a familiar face.
Bonnie May 1:27:18
Yeah, I think y'all both kind of touched on this. I think we've touched on it a few times, but just with cancer being kind of like, Baby FIDE or not taking it seriously and a lot of modern astrology or like people coming to astrologers with a lot of cancer placements, and, you know, kind of dreading it. I think there I think there has been, I think, I think part part of it is like, just like how we see gender to like cancer, and Capricorn are heavily gender signs like Capricorn is seen as like, male masculine, the king or dad, daddy energy cancers, like more like mommy energy. And it kind of just goes to show like how undervalued those like kind of motherly traits are that that's how we kind of see cancer all the time, like cancers, like stereotypes, like really clingy or needy or like, the, the overly doting mother and like, those are some aspects of cancer. But that's a very limited view. And I think it kind of shows like how we undervalue the kind of skill that it takes to be a mother or to like be someone who's like nurturing and whatever gender you are, it just makes it very limited limiting. When we kind of like overly gender those signs, like as much as I do kind of see some distinctions like, you bet you can, you can have like traits of Capricorn be kind of like the protector, like the more stern one, and it doesn't matter what gender you are. It's the same with cancer. And I think that's just kind of the reflection of the society we live in that we need to take those traits of cancer more seriously have these like, nurturing qualities?
Tristan Paylor 1:28:55
Yeah, it's like, I feel like the way cancer and Virgo in particular, get stereotyped is a really huge reflection of how much misogyny and femme phobia there still is, in our society, like those are still huge problems. And you look at the stereotype, like Virgo is the only sign that is actually depicted as a woman, you know, is supposed to be like the Maiden and cancer is associated with mothers and Queens. So, you know, they're the both sort of most explicitly feminine signs and the way they're usually characterized, and you know, cancer gets described like you said, Barney is clingy and needy, and, you know, like, hysterical, like, over emotional, you know, having disproportionate emotional reactions to everything being oversensitive, and Virgo gets stereotyped as being sort of like the nagging shrew. And it's like, how, how much do we hate femininity, society that like that. The reason we describe the science this way is that we still need to examine some of that like we We fear or hate or don't value qualities that we associate with women or with femininity. And so I think it's like it's really unfair to cancer to kind of get, you know, those stereotypes because they're they're definitely sourced in a bad place in terms of like how we culturally understand certain traits, like you know, being nurturing is seen as being less important. You know, being being the person who raises children or like takes care of the house is seen as like somehow less important work and not worthy of like being paid or conferring social status upon people who do, you know, a lot of emotional labor, a lot of domestic work, things that are associated with cancer, Virgo. You know, like, we have practical chores and stuff like that get associated Virgo cleaning, it's associated with Virgo. It's like we undervalue those things, and we associate that as like women's work still, to an extent.
Kyle Pierce 1:30:56
Yeah. All really amazing points. I think that what people will maybe get wrong with cancer is it's it's all cancer, it's about like getting things just right. Like, it's just the right amount of stuff, not too much or too little. It's just what you need, you know, that that is really kind of the essence of cancer. And I think to most people in human imagine, like the other signs looking at cancer, like, Oh, my God, that's so much work. Why, why do you need so much? Why does it why does this need so much attention? Why are you so sensitive God? How many people you heard whether you're a cancer rising or not? You're too sensitive. Why are you so sensitive? Like you already saying before, just and it's like, yeah, it's not about being too sensitive, it's actually because you know, your skin is being damaged as much as any others when it's being scratched. Or stabbed. So, it's just been tuned into it.
Tristan Paylor 1:31:57
It's like, it's like the sort of tough guy culture right? Where it's like, yeah, where it's like, it's macho, you know, it's okay, the I don't know if YouTube have seen all the like jokes going around of fellas, is it gay to so many cases on social media where like, you know, typically, typically, you know, straight says guys very seriously are like, you know, worried that it's gay to love your wife too much. Or to like put on sunscreen, or to wear glasses. Like there was some tweet by someone who's like, I don't want to, you know, deal with a guy who wears glasses, because that's too unmanly. And so Mike responds like, fellas, is it? Is it gay? Be able to see, like, is it gay? Yeah, it's sort of like that. Or, like, you know, if, if you're going out on a sunny day, and the UV index is really high, you should put on sunscreen because your skin is sensitive to damage and it will die like your skin cells will, like develop into cancer. If you do not take care of your skin at the good time. It's like but the manly thing to do is just don't wear sunscreen, like real men don't wear sunscreen, you just like go out there and fry in the sun like a man. I feel like that's sort of it reminds me of the discourse about cancer and astrology circles a little where we're like complaining that cancer is saying put on sunscreen. It's kind of
Kyle Pierce 1:33:17
like that so heavily in like, all that that mentality and that thinking and like that concern about like, is this this gay? Is this not manly enough? Is this sort of that? And that's why I love being a grown up. Because I don't have to give a shit about that anymore. Yeah.
Tristan Paylor 1:33:37
But that's funny.
Bonnie May 1:33:39
I mean with that exam, yeah, with that example, Tristan, it's kind of funny because like, if you have sunscreen, you know, and you are going on the sun, you have that resource available. And like, it just makes common sense to realize that the sun will fry your skin and you should put on sunscreen. Like when when Saturn is being kind of like, stingy with resources, it's because there's some kind of reason for it. Like, with Capricorn, it's like, oh, we don't have enough food, we have to eat a little bit less. It's not like man up and eat less food. It's more like, we just have to stretch this out for as far as we can. So that kind of you know that that example you're giving about, like, statements like, you know, their fixation on not appearing gay or not appearing too sensitive is like completely nameless. Because like, if they have the resources available, cancer, just like why not use the sunscreen, like, you know, it's like it's hot outside the sun is really not good for your skin. It doesn't take that long to put it on. It's like, what's the big deal? Yeah, so yeah, yeah.
Kyle Pierce 1:34:39
Think of like cancer is like a you know, it's a well cooked meal, like made exactly tailored to your nutritional needs. But like Capricorns, like, all purpose utility knife or something like that will it'll get you food, it'll like like that. You kill stuff. You can use it on everything in any scenario. And that's like the strength of Capricorn. But you know, it's not really gonna fill your life with comfort and joy. Yeah.
Tristan Paylor 1:35:11
Did you have anything else that you wanted to say about these two signs Bonnie? Before we move on?
Bonnie May 1:35:17
We I feel like getting around to that was something about Katherine.
Kyle Pierce 1:35:20
We've been really protective of cancer. No,
Bonnie May 1:35:23
I really enjoy it. Because like, I feel like yeah, cancer being on my descendant. I'm kind of blind to it. So I'm like, now I'm like, realizing all the ways that I do have a lot of cancer in my life. And yeah, it's really, really strong moon. Taurus. Yeah. Yeah. So it's yeah, it's a very, yeah, so my moon is in Taurus. And that rules my seventh house. So that yeah, that is something I've been thinking about six, very prominent there. I mean, I think that yeah, Capricorn is kind of stereotyped as like, you know, being like, very serious and like, you know, in a lot of ways it is, but there, I think that yeah, there is the symbolism of Capricorn being like the MER goat, like the goat with the little mermaid tail. So there's like a bit of a, like, a magical component to like, cap, like, Capricorn is a builder. And so even though they are, like, I think we have talked a lot about, like, you know, Capricorn making use of your resources, but they also want to create something so there is like some creativity there. It's like different from cancer creativity, which is more like, I love that cancer is ruled by the moon because there's so much like flow like I can imagine, like, if you're, if you have a lot of cancer placements, like the moon moving through the signs, is like a great way to to get in tune with your creative energy, but with with Capricorn, I think like they really want to build something or create something and they want to build something that's like, going to last for a long time. Like have, they want to have like a long, long game vision of what they're going to create, whether it's like, you know, resources for their, like, their loved ones, or a business or some like a creative hobby, they, they're, they're kind of like all about taking the long road even if it's harder, like the mountain goat, I mean, the goat going up the mountain, they're going to take the longest hardest route possible, but they're gonna learn a lot from it. So I think also like with both of these signs, like I think I've said this before, responsibility is like a big component to like, they're, they take what they do very seriously. Both definitely.
Tristan Paylor 1:37:19
Well, they're like their life and death. So it's like everything is literally when you're in either of these sides. Yeah.
Kyle Pierce 1:37:27
Yes, it's actually a good point. Like feel like both sides will treat things that aren't life or death is kind of a life or death. Hey, no, I would tell you Yeah, that's what I've heard. wouldn't know anything about it myself?
Tristan Paylor 1:37:50
So we, so we Leo and Aquarius.
Bonnie May 1:37:54
Yeah, we do a time check.
Kyle Pierce 1:37:56
Are you offered me an Aquarius
Tristan Paylor 1:37:58
or I think I've got one more set in me.
Bonnie May 1:38:01
So that means we have to record for just Pisces and Virgo after this. Maybe we should save the two together we have Leo and Aquarius and then we have Virgo and Pisces if we're going to record one more time, then it might make sense to do the two of them together. So we're not just doing one.
Tristan Paylor 1:38:17
Alright, so let's do that. Let's let's record another and do Leo Aquarius Virgo Pisces and give them the same love that we've given the other
Bonnie May 1:38:28
son all the attention and it'll be in Aquarius season. When we do Leo.
Tristan Paylor 1:38:34
Yes, that would be very appropriate.
Bonnie May 1:38:39
Um,
Kyle Pierce 1:38:40
we probably do a little wrap up for this one then real quick. Sure. Yeah, what do you have going on Barney? Anything new since the last last last episode.
Bonnie May 1:38:54
I'm not quite sure when this is coming out. So I'm going to need to say my usual things. Yeah, so on Instagram, I'm on Instagram and Twitter as Mayday astrology so I appreciate any follows there. I'm still setting up my social media and going to be opening up to doing readings soon, but not quite yet, because I'm still doing a little bit more studying. But I am doing some facilitation. CO facilitating some classes at Star dance Mystery School on Patreon and discord. We have a discord classroom and we're doing a class called queering the planets and it has a few different tracks. We're gonna do the personal planets and social planets like Jupiter and Saturn and then the more generational planets, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto and Chiron. And then after that we're gonna do some other classes on the houses. So check it out on Patreon it's Star dance Mystery School. And yeah, just like follow on Instagram and Twitter and I think I'm eventually gonna start going on Twitch and just like answering a strategic questions. So I'm working. I'm going to be announcing that on my Instagram and Twitter eventually, I think I'm gonna do Thursday nights and just like, you know, giving like little mini readings and answering people's questions and, you know, getting more practice with giving, giving readings when I eventually open up to doing Yeah, that sounds
Tristan Paylor 1:40:16
awesome. Yeah, that's super cool. And I also want to hype up Stars Dance Mystery School. It's a really great group of people.
Bonnie May 1:40:27
Yeah, so it's, so we had, yeah, we have a Patreon. And so with the Patreon, there's a few different tiers. The, the planets and moon one is where you can like take the classes and I'm also going to be offering a seasonal electional packet for rituals, or political action. The first one is going to be Mars and Capricorn, as I mentioned a little bit about that before. So I'm really really excited about that. Because election astrology is so much fun. And I'm I've joined a discord group recently about astrology. So I'm learning even more, I'm just like really jazzed about it. Yeah, so there'll be like electrical packets, it also like meditations for like embodying the signs, and like Moon journal packets for going through the moon cycles and setting intentions. So there's a lot of fun stuff. And there's different tiers. So if you want to do just a few things, you can do the lower tiers. But if you want to take the classes and join and all that fun, you can join under the gods and planets. Yeah, God, sorry, not gods and plant moon and planets tier. I think it planets is God's planets gods.
Kyle Pierce 1:41:29
Yeah, that's awesome. I feel like we didn't actually do this last time. And we should is probably mean by the time this comes out, where we'll have a name, I think for the club that we are going to use for our starting Tristan, Ryan Shay, are going to be starting on the clubhouse app, or discussions on tarot, as well as probably bi weekly astrology forecasts, conversations, discussion groups that you can participate in and will be totally free. So there'll be a link as soon as the club exists. Hopefully, by the time this comes out.
Tristan Paylor 1:42:12
I think I think by the time this comes out, the club will definitely will find a link to follow on Instagram. Oh, yeah, yes. Or yeah, find and follow Kyle. And
Bonnie May 1:42:23
we don't know what's going on by the time this comes out. So just follow us on Instagram.
Kyle Pierce 1:42:27
So something that I'm really keenly becoming very, very aware of that I just have no sense of how long I can't tell anybody how long something's going to take. I can't I can't do it. And if I do, it's going to probably take longer, so I try not to say anything. But But yeah, hopefully. Soon,
Bonnie May 1:42:52
I think yeah, cancer risings. Like it's gonna take as long as
Kyle Pierce 1:42:55
it's gonna take as long as it's gonna
Tristan Paylor 1:42:56
take Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Yeah. Can you can has a schedule cancer is like,
Bonnie May 1:43:01
yeah, it's like cancers. Like you can't rush like the process. Like it can't be too fast or too. Yeah, that's right. And Capricorns like we have some deadlines. We have like, short term goals, long term goals. And these are the dates and this is the date we promised and then it has to come out there. I
Kyle Pierce 1:43:19
love that. That's that's perfect, actually. Even though this
Bonnie May 1:43:23
this portion of the Capricorn
Kyle Pierce 1:43:25
Yeah, no, yeah, yeah. I always have said I'm bearing down on me but it's still nonetheless can't sorry, sad and I can't I can never please you. Yeah, what do you have going on Christian? For you personally, he's an individual.
Tristan Paylor 1:43:42
For me, for me personally as an individual Wow, this god bear All on this episode I'm going to I'm going to demonstrate some true Cancerian vulnerability and just start spilling my feelings and details of my personal
Kyle Pierce 1:43:55
crying a lot lately.
Tristan Paylor 1:44:01
Thank you, I will say. And also like, definitely check out Stars Dance Mystery School on Patreon. Their discord servers, excellent. And especially if you are queer, and love astrology is a super awesome queer space. As for what I personally have going on, just the usual you can find me on social media, on Tumblr and Instagram at bad sign astrology. You can find me on Twitter at bad sign Astro. I'm not super active on there. But today I kind of had this thought like maybe I should try it again. Join me on Twitter. Join Barney on the dark side. Yeah, it's fun. So follow me on Twitter and interact with me so that I have a reason to use my Twitter account that I never use, please. And thank you people of the world who are listening to this podcast give me a reason to use that account. And if you want to book a reading with me, I do natal chart consultations, I can do synastry And some like short term forecasting, looking at your upcoming transits. You can book a reading with me on my website at bad sign. astrology.ca Awesome.
Kyle Pierce 1:45:18
Yeah, I want to say likewise for me on Twitter. I do have a Twitter. It's so big and like, noisy and it's a big scary world for me. Like, I just can't handle it all. Instagram is like, alright, I can I can handle this. But um, yeah, X camera. Oh, my handle is though.
Tristan Paylor 1:45:43
Like, it's just Kyle being here in the show notes.
Kyle Pierce 1:45:46
Pretty sure. But I'm gonna, I'm gonna bug
Bonnie May 1:45:49
out. Do it.
Tristan Paylor 1:45:50
Encourage Yes, prod me. Yeah. Give me a reason to be there, please.
Kyle Pierce 1:45:55
But yeah, you as usual, you can book a reading with me at Kyle Pierce. astrology.com. Hopefully, by the time this is out, I will have my Mars research article published, which I know I said this when we released the science episode. I mean, that was what like August.
Tristan Paylor 1:46:15
That was years and years. Like years ago. Yeah. In the Middle Ages.
Kyle Pierce 1:46:19
Yeah, I know. It's gonna turn into you. But um, Crutchfield check it out. So I'm pretty proud of it. I think there's some interesting scientific research that will prove astrology once and for all, for the world. And yeah, no, I'm kidding. But check it out. It'd be cool. You can find it on my website, and probably other mediums that I can't think of but check the Show links. And I'm talking about the club and that's about all I got. So yeah, thank you everyone for listening. I can't wait to add money back for the next final science.
Tristan Paylor 1:47:01
I liked the enthusiasm.
Kyle Pierce 1:47:08
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